Blood Angels

[MalachiOfRuss]

Utsujin, 7+ on a leadership test is 58% of the time. Thats without the item that lets you roll 3d6 and pick 2.

... maybe you need to roll 7+ and succeed on the Leadership test? Depending on the Leadership of the unit that would cut down on the odds considerably.

[JamesI]

Utsujin, 7+ on a leadership test is 58% of the time. Thats without the item that lets you roll 3d6 and pick 2.

... maybe you need to roll 7+ and succeed on the Leadership test? Depending on the Leadership of the unit that would cut down on the odds considerably.

Nope, just a 7+ to get furious charge. If you fail the leadership test you get rage too.

[MagneticFreak]

what are the other ways to get FC?

[HERO]

Utsujin, 7+ on a leadership test is 58% of the time. Thats without the item that lets you roll 3d6 and pick 2.

 

Also, there are ways to get Furious Charge without needing the roll.

 

Except 10 doesn't count on most squads. So what are the chances of hitting leadership 7-9 without Laurels and 7-9 with? (with is 3D6, discard 1 for your test)

[Spacefrisian]

40k Rule nr 1. Dont tempt the dice gods.

[Grey Mage]

Utsujin, 7+ on a leadership test is 58% of the time. Thats without the item that lets you roll 3d6 and pick 2.

... maybe you need to roll 7+ and succeed on the Leadership test? Depending on the Leadership of the unit that would cut down on the odds considerably.

Nope, just a 7+ to get furious charge. If you fail the leadership test you get rage too.

This transcript was badly written though- it also says you replace an entire DCCW for a meltagun :P

 

Edit: Still I can see it... trying to get that razors edge benefit without the drawback. Take it from someone who used to trounce Khorne players on a regular basis- rage sucks, in fact few if any things suck more than having four units chas a pair of landspeeders around the table for five turns.

[JamesI]

Utsujin, 7+ on a leadership test is 58% of the time. Thats without the item that lets you roll 3d6 and pick 2.

 

Also, there are ways to get Furious Charge without needing the roll.

 

Except 10 doesn't count on most squads. So what are the chances of hitting leadership 7-9 without Laurels and 7-9 with? (with is 3D6, discard 1 for your test)

Based on the file, you don't have to pass to get furious charge. You get that on a 7+. Even if you fail the leadership test you get furious charge.

[JamesI]

Utsujin, 7+ on a leadership test is 58% of the time. Thats without the item that lets you roll 3d6 and pick 2.

... maybe you need to roll 7+ and succeed on the Leadership test? Depending on the Leadership of the unit that would cut down on the odds considerably.

Nope, just a 7+ to get furious charge. If you fail the leadership test you get rage too.

This transcript was badly written though- it also says you replace an entire DCCW for a meltagun :P

 

Edit: Still I can see it... trying to get that razors edge benefit without the drawback. Take it from someone who used to trounce Khorne players on a regular basis- rage sucks, in fact few if any things suck more than having four units chas a pair of landspeeders around the table for five turns.

I agree the transcript has errors. But as it is written now (no idea if it will be the same in the real version) even failing the leadership test you get FC. And there are plenty of ways to control rage in the pdf.

[Grimtooth]

Did I suddenly get transported from the Fang to some pansy fortress-monastery on a red planet?

[MagneticFreak]

I hope not.

 

With a glance at the leaked BA codex, its not that interesting. Honestly, I feel we still have a quite divergent army...and the rage can be a real pain...

[Utsujin]

Afterall, it is alot of hype.. Look at the new nid dex.. I have had no problems losing with nids, and beating nids so far.

[Wildfire]

I'm sort of meh on the lander. I mean, it's ok, but they've got a rhino that's almost as fast for 1/4 the points. Including one in a list might be good, for last minute relocations of claiming squads, but otherwise it's too expensive for me to get excited about.

 

I will say that I'm a bit sceptical about this PDF. I'm about 60% convinced it's a hoax.

[the jeske]

I mean, it's ok, but they've got a rhino that's almost as fast for 1/4 the points. Including one in a list might be good, for last minute relocations of claiming squads, but otherwise it's too expensive for me to get excited about.

rhinos dont have hvy weapons on board and dont let your scoring assault space marines with FC charge after movment.

[MagneticFreak]

exactly.

 

I am very worried about the eventual Eldar or Dark Eldar Codex.

 

If some assault marines can move, disambark and charge, I feel its pure logic that some eldar elite might be able to do it as well out of their transport. Hey, 12 banshees charging you out of a falcon, or 18 Witches charging your squad out of their Raiders! Now then I wonder if Blood Angels players will complain... :)

[Niiai]

Well, lett us just trust thay they price everything reasonable. :-)

 

The way I understood the leadership test there is a sweet spot they try to hit where they rage and get forius charge (or just get furios charge I did not read it that well) "rage" - "rage and furius charge" - "no rage or furius charge but may act normaly"

 

I think this is a realy cool way to harnes the rage mechanic, and the BA trying to master it. Morpheus (or whatever, he vampier one!) overcame his rage and became a super psycer. It is like they are all drying to not fall into the dark pit that is their blood curse but are trying to harnes it for power. As is the theme of all action-vampier films (blade, lost boys (not actualy action) 30 nights)

[Bartali]

I'm sort of meh on the lander. I mean, it's ok, but they've got a rhino that's almost as fast for 1/4 the points. Including one in a list might be good, for last minute relocations of claiming squads, but otherwise it's too expensive for me to get excited about.

 

I will say that I'm a bit sceptical about this PDF. I'm about 60% convinced it's a hoax.

 

I think you've kinda missed the point about the Lander. It's AV13 front, got a Heavy 8 Twin-linked Ass-can that can fire after moving 12", generates a 4+ cover save by moving 24" and Ass Squads can assault out of it (even out of deep striking). Completely different to a Rhino, and well worth it's points (if the leaked pdf is correct)

 

Watch Eldar players get very very upset

[HERO]

Oh, I'd like to conclude that after seeing the BA dex, I'm gonna have to say our Dex is stronger.

Yes Brothers, fear not.

[Ravenger]

well if its true, how do we deal with an army OBEL on us, makes me sad they gave our trademark scout ability to another chapter

[TheLastHuzzah]

well if its true, how do we deal with an army OBEL on us, makes me sad they gave our trademark scout ability to another chapter

 

*Looks at Ravenger with a stern glare* The way we handle everything, with Axes and Ale!

 

On a more serious note, what OBEL are you talking about? If you're talking about the Storm Harbinger, they are very cool but deepstriking into SW lines (or any SM lines) should open up the flimsy side armor. The jump packs assaulting from it are cool, but Veteran assault squads can do the same charge after deepstriking for cheaper than the fancy transport.

 

-Huzzah

[stinkenheim]

apparantly their scouts can BEL too, although i haven't seen the leaked codex.

 

i would highly doubt this as it would mean the amount of things in the BA codex that could stay in reserve and assault the turn they arrived would be ridiculous, add in FC to alot of it and you are looking at losing a chunk of your force without actually being able to hurt the enemy first. Now im not talking about space wolves here, but all armies.

tau for instance would likely lose 100% of the time without standing a chance and i hink you will see a few games being forfeited by them.

IG also would struggle, its hard enough for them facing a drop pod army, let alone an army that can pin things with their transportds and then assault the turn the arrive.

 

i will believe the hype only whn i hold the pirnted GW codex in my hands, until then i think alot of this is either a hoax designed to big up the new releases and generate sales or a very ealry test version with everything thron in. expect rules/item to be changed/dropped/ reworked in the finished product

[Ravenger]

ya i googled it and the snd link down and one link inside got me to a txt of the so called rumor dex. thier scouts have behind enemy lines .

[Wispy]

Most of the Blood Angels rumours have been regarding ridiculously overpowered units and rules, if true, and I'm kind of insulted that I'm being considered 'jealous' by thinking such instead of salivating.

 

Re: the PDF, I've heard the word 'bollocks' thrown around in reference to people who work at GW, so whatever. In any case, I'm not believing anything until I read the codex in my hands.

[JamesI]

To make the Wolf players happier I'll pont out 2 things.

 

1) The updated rumors do not include Behind Enemy Lines for scouts.

 

2) The older version that did have BEL, the BA version of BEL was totally different in function than the Space Wolf version.

[Grey Mage]

I'm sort of meh on the lander. I mean, it's ok, but they've got a rhino that's almost as fast for 1/4 the points. Including one in a list might be good, for last minute relocations of claiming squads, but otherwise it's too expensive for me to get excited about.

 

I will say that I'm a bit sceptical about this PDF. I'm about 60% convinced it's a hoax.

 

I think you've kinda missed the point about the Lander. It's AV13 front, got a Heavy 8 Twin-linked Ass-can that can fire after moving 12", generates a 4+ cover save by moving 24" and Ass Squads can assault out of it (even out of deep striking). Completely different to a Rhino, and well worth it's points (if the leaked pdf is correct)

 

Watch Eldar players get very very upset

Eldar Players are Already upset over the Valkyrie/Vendetta fiasco. ;)

[Wildfire]

I am, too. They're giving fast skimmer transports to everyone these days, and I wish they wouldn't. I like for armies to have completely different flavors, not have one homogenized super-race that includes all the cool things from everyone else.

 

The PDF shows that BA do not have Operate Behind Enemy Lines, they have a rule called Behind Enemy Lines. Almost the same name, but completely different effects. Take the time to read the actual rule.

 

In any case, it now looks like that PDF was fake. The latest iteration includes an obviously bogus unit. Not to worry tho, we'll see it when it gets here in april.