Arjac Superstar

[Ladislao]

Hello fellow brothers, i me here to tell you a tale....

 

I have never been a fan of the anvil, i always thought it too expensive, but yesterday, in 2 match against the new tyr, i tried it in a squad of bloodclaws..

 

And he has been superb! The 5 rerollable attack give you the surenes to kill the big monster in a single round, and thind not easily achieved without him... at last, i was charged by 2 hive tyrant, who kille 10 blood claws.. and he, all alone, proceded in kill one of them!

 

I m the only one wo has so much succes with him?

[Ragnars Claw]

I've used him quite a bit and do like him but now he has lost stubborn i'm going to try a wolf lord in terminator armour instead. That and only having 2 wounds can be a liability.

[MagneticFreak]

Arjac is a must for me in ANY game I play.

 

3+ inv. save, a Str. 10 Shooting attack, always hitting on 3+ that can be rerolled sometimes, cannot be targetted in a squad, TDA...and the list goes on. He is AWESOME, pure and simple, and relatively cheap. A Lord with similar equipment will cost much more, and except for the extra wound, will not be as efficient. Sure, he strikes last, but you can still buy another HQ with a higher initiative.

 

In my past 5-6 games, I have been using him in a squad of wolf guards in TDA, all equiped with storm shields, and power wpn (and a single powerfist). The squad managed to kill at least 2-4 enemy squads per game.

 

My group has started to call him Chuck Norris instead of Arjac...

[Spacefrisian]

It might be just me but i think the Nid codex has been toned down in cc department. I have been tearing through a Mawloc, Tervigon, Hive Tyrant and warriors in a single game with an Eldar Avatar with him losing only 2 wounds (he normally doesn't get in combat). I have also seen a Mawloc being killed in 2 rounds by Scouts.

[MagneticFreak]

Well, Tyranids are as good now as they were, and I would argue that they are even better now with the overwhelming presence of lash wips and bone swords.

 

Its all the rest that increased in cc power. To me, its obvious that the Avatar has excessive defense capabilities, with the 3+/4+ combined with hightoughness and high weapon skill. Power fists are everywhere. Storm shields with 3+ inv save just makes attacks from power weapons and monstrous creatures laughable.

 

Tyranids dont have inv. saves. They are hit on 4+ (on average), and powerfists and thunderhammers wound them on 2+ without any saves, just like regular marines, heck, just like guards for that matter. So of course it seems they are not as good as they should., well, monstrous creatures at least.

 

Gaunts are still impressive. With Furious Charge, I think they have 3-4 attacks each at strenght 4 and Initiative 6...thats very good, and cheap as well.

 

I expect a lot of SwarmLords...

[Xeenos]

You know, he isnt cheep, 188 points. But come on.. he is a monster! Str 10 ranged attack? Short as hell sure, but almost a for sure kill! Then his base str of 5 means he has a str 10 thunderhammer! Given his reroll to hit vs MC and IC and he is just a HQ eating beasty!

 

The BEST part about him, imo, though.. while he is expensive, and you could get a tooled out Wolf Lord or something for that many points.. the BEST part i see is that

He. Is. Not. An. IC.

 

That means.. with.. how i plan to run him, 10 Grey Hunters in a Redemer, he has 10 wounds to go through before he himself gets to shurg off the attacks with his 2+/3++

 

Get a Wolf Standard in thouse Grey Hunters too so he can reroll 1's on the To wound roll too! He will wound most anything on a 2+ anyway lol. Just remember to keep the dice you rerolled from the To Hit seperated so you dont accadently reroll the same dice twice.

 

Sure.. Ragnar can get like 9 Attacks.. but Arjac can one shot him and has 12 wounds.

 

P.S.can anyone tell me where in the rule book that rule is? The 'Cant reroll the same dice twice' bit?

[Xeenos]

nvm, found it on page 2!

[Wolf Lord Hallbjorn]

I've used him quite a bit and do like him but now he has lost stubborn i'm going to try a wolf lord in terminator armour instead. That and only having 2 wounds can be a liability.

 

When did he lose Stubborn?

[Coverfire]

Well to say that he has 'lost' stubborn is misleading.

 

Since he is not an IC, his stubborn special rule doesn't get transferred to the squad he leads as the universal special rules state.

This was FAQed, as peaople were playing it like that. Now he only benefits from Stubborn when he is the last man standing.

[BDS]

That means.. with.. how i plan to run him, 10 Grey Hunters in a Redemer, he has 10 wounds to go through before he himself gets to shurg off the attacks with his 2+/3++

 

Get a Wolf Standard in thouse Grey Hunters too so he can reroll 1's on the To wound roll too! He will wound most anything on a 2+ anyway lol. Just remember to keep the dice you rerolled from the To Hit seperated so you dont accadently reroll the same dice twice.

 

In this set up he is a tough nut to crack fer sure. I would consider, in larger point games, of throwing in a wolf priest or even Ulrik for all the rerolls and you will be sure to crush whatever you go after.

 

 

BDS

[Grimtooth]

You know, he isnt cheep, 188 points. But come on.. he is a monster! Str 10 ranged attack? Short as hell sure, but almost a for sure kill! Then his base str of 5 means he has a str 10 thunderhammer! Given his reroll to hit vs MC and IC and he is just a HQ eating beasty!

 

The BEST part about him, imo, though.. while he is expensive, and you could get a tooled out Wolf Lord or something for that many points.. the BEST part i see is that

He. Is. Not. An. IC.

 

That means.. with.. how i plan to run him, 10 Grey Hunters in a Redemer, he has 10 wounds to go through before he himself gets to shurg off the attacks with his 2+/3++

 

Get a Wolf Standard in thouse Grey Hunters too so he can reroll 1's on the To wound roll too! He will wound most anything on a 2+ anyway lol. Just remember to keep the dice you rerolled from the To Hit seperated so you dont accadently reroll the same dice twice.

 

Sure.. Ragnar can get like 9 Attacks.. but Arjac can one shot him and has 12 wounds.

 

P.S.can anyone tell me where in the rule book that rule is? The 'Cant reroll the same dice twice' bit?

 

Xeenos, the to-hit re-roll and the to-wound re-roll are two separate rolls. So while you use Arjac's ability to re-roll a to-hit roll, you could then use the wolf standard to re-roll the very same dice on the to wound roll if it was a one.

 

So,

 

Wolf Standard declared.

 

Arjac rolls his to-hit rolls. He re-rolls his two misses and makes one of them the other is a 1. He cannot re-roll that to hit roll.

 

So now you would gather up all his attacks that hit.

 

Now you would roll your to-wound rolls. He wounds twice and also rolls two ones. Now you could use the wolf standard to re-roll those two 1's.

[sonofwaranddeath]

Yeah, I knew this guy was beastly but this just proves it! He will definately be a must in my games like grey hunters!

[HERO]

Pretty much how I feel.

 

This guy is amazing. Put him in my list on day #1, haven't taken him out since. So far, he has had such a glorious time killing my enemies.. from Wraithguard, Wraithlords, Avatars, to Tyranid Warriors, Hive Guards, Hive Tyrants..etc.

 

The guy is amazing :P

 

And here's a snipit from another post of mine on Warseer:

 

Arjac single-handily manhandles the entire Tyranid army. He killed 3 Warriors, the Hive Tyrant and his Guard, 2 Hive Guard, a Trygon, and some other stuff. Literally, the only thing that can stop Arjac reliably is the Swarmlord.

[Xeenos]

Hmm.. i read the rule as you cant reroll the same dice twice.. meaning for whatever phase.. like.. cant reroll the same dice for hit and wounds..

 

But now that you say that, it makes more sence and makes him all the more beasty!

 

While i write out a list i always feel dirty not having some bad ass Lord running the show and beating big monsters all heroicly.. Soo i kinda play it off as Arjac being the 'Lord' of my army with a few Rune Priests for support.

 

I havnt played sence 3rd eddition, i mostly read and write lists and such tell i get back into the game. List i wrote up last night has:

 

3 WG w/ fists + Arjac

Land Raider Redemer w/ MM + EA

2 x 9 Man Pack of Grey Hunters w/ Melta + PW + Standard

2 x Rhino w/ EA

1 x 10 Man Pack of Grey Hunters w/ Meltax2 + PW + Standard

3 x Vindicators

 

This came out to about 1500 points, though now that i think about it, i belive i payed for the 3rd fist in the WG group, so i can shave off some money from there. Alas i also dont have an HQ, so to make it work at 1500 id have to drop a Vindi i guess, that will get me a Rune Priest and some upgrades. Likly drop a Grey Hunter from one of the 9 man packs and put him in there.

 

Someone was talkin about EA not being worth it anymore, im not sure i follow, why is being able to move all the time not worth it?

[Grimtooth]

Hmm.. i read the rule as you cant reroll the same dice twice.. meaning for whatever phase.. like.. cant reroll the same dice for hit and wounds..

 

But now that you say that, it makes more sence and makes him all the more beasty!

 

While i write out a list i always feel dirty not having some bad ass Lord running the show and beating big monsters all heroicly.. Soo i kinda play it off as Arjac being the 'Lord' of my army with a few Rune Priests for support.

 

I havnt played sence 3rd eddition, i mostly read and write lists and such tell i get back into the game. List i wrote up last night has:

 

3 WG w/ fists + Arjac

Land Raider Redemer w/ MM + EA

2 x 9 Man Pack of Grey Hunters w/ Melta + PW + Standard

2 x Rhino w/ EA

1 x 10 Man Pack of Grey Hunters w/ Meltax2 + PW + Standard

3 x Vindicators

 

This came out to about 1500 points, though now that i think about it, i belive i payed for the 3rd fist in the WG group, so i can shave off some money from there. Alas i also dont have an HQ, so to make it work at 1500 id have to drop a Vindi i guess, that will get me a Rune Priest and some upgrades. Likly drop a Grey Hunter from one of the 9 man packs and put him in there.

 

Someone was talkin about EA not being worth it anymore, im not sure i follow, why is being able to move all the time not worth it?

 

The rule is you can never re-roll a re-roll. So if you miss on the the to-hit roll and re-roll a to-hit dice, you cannot re-roll that to-hit dice. When you roll the to-wound rolls, it is now a completely different roll. Any re-rolls then are re-rolling a to-wound miss, not a to-hit miss.

 

With what you thought the rule was, that re-rolled to-hit you rolled. You would not then be able to roll that dice for the to-wound roll since you would then be "re-rolling a re-roll". Got it?

[Xeenos]

Yup! Totally makes more sence that way! Makes it all the more disgusting of a unit too.. Mmm I really need to get some money and get back into this game and stop theory crafting!