Lost Companies

[Avarris]

I've decided to return to my roots and start a new Space Wolf army with a Tau or Ork army to fight and build up at the same time.

 

I'll get to the point now. If a company of Wolves was lost to the warp for a couple of hundred years, would they be allowed to return to the chapter with open arms, forced to go on a crusade to repent for failing their duty or be denied the chance to return to the chapter?

 

My main reason for asking this is that, even though I like the SW colour scheme, I've kind of come up with my own and the answer to the above question is either going to alter it slightly to be a bit closer to the original scheme or stick with the one I'm going for.

 

Thanks in advanced, Asdmodai

[antique_nova]

well it depends on what mission they were doing, how successful. What they gained from the mission and what they lost. and if they are tainted or exiled in the first place.

thanks

antique_nova

[Valerian]

My main reason for asking this is that, even though I like the SW colour scheme, I've kind of come up with my own and the answer to the above question is either going to alter it slightly to be a bit closer to the original scheme or stick with the one I'm going for.

 

It is not uncommon for Marine forces to paint their armor in "campaign colors"; just use their extended participation in the "fill in the blank" expedition as the justification for your desired theme/painting scheme.

 

V

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

as long as the returning wolf lord swears loyalty to the current great wolf they would be welcomed back with open arms. however i dont know if they would be allowed to keep their great company or not as there would already be twelve great companies

[styx]

This is a tough question to answer to be honest.

 

Once back, they would have to surrender to the chapter for review.

Wolf Priests (aka Apothacaries) would examine their Geneseed for corruption.

Rune Priests would do various psychic tests...

The Inquisition would show and do their own review...

 

This alone could take decades to complete.

 

Once they are deemed worthy to rejoin the chapter, they would no doubt give their oaths again...

 

Then depending on the status of other Companies they would either replace one that has lost their leader or they would be merged into one or more companies that has been depleted over time.

[robertsjf]

The Inquisition would show and do their own review...

 

Somehow I don't see the Wolves willingly subjecting any of their own to the inquisition if they can take care of it "in house."

[Grim Dog Studios]

I thought many Wolves lost companies had returned, but had been sent off to far reaches of the galaxy. I dont know where I read this, but it would mean if russ was to return, he would have a very large army at his disposal, of course, these lost companies are known only to the higher ranking space wolf members.

[Taeken]

Ya, I agree that I don't believe the SW's would allow the any outside involvement in a purely Wolf matter. Especially those nosey little witches.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

aye there would be no reason to let the inquisition near the sanctums of the wolves or to even know about it simply because its not their business to know of or have any answer in the matter.

 

but yes they would under go the inspections of the priests, for all physical and mental taint of chaos and those found would be dealt with.

 

the wolf lord however would probably be miffed at having his company dismantled and being removed from power.

 

however i know of nothing that says the returning companies are sent off to far away missions.

 

 

and yes when the wolf time occurs leman russ will have an army far greater than any other to die with

[Avarris]

I was more thinking that the company I'm doing is going to go on a penitant crusade where they have repainted all their armour except their shoulder pads, black with gold trim. Also was thinking that afterwards they would be able to rather than return to the Fang, just operate as a seperate force and only return when Russ returns.

[saphius]

You mean the 13th company?...

[styx]

Well, the Space Wolf novel establishes that the Space Wolves does have ties to the Inquisition.

 

While I am sure the Space Wolves may not openly broadcast that they have found a lost company, or perhaps they do in celebration. Perhaps the Inquisiton has agents among even the serfs of the Space Wolves, which would not be suprising as they have agents everywhere.

 

Without a doubt once word got out the Inquisiton would appear in a heardbeat over their world. Demand that they conduct their reviews. Even a Wolf Lord would not be stupid enough to tell them no and risk the entire chapter getting declared a tratior and their world wiped out if push came to shove.

 

Space Wolves are proud and arrogant, but not stupid.

[Raulmichile]

I don't think the Inquisition has infiltrates within the Fang. It it was true, as soon as one company recants it's oaths, the Inquisition shold have noticed. And this has not been the case. Although the Wolves do have some sort or relationship with the Inquisition it is not close at all.

[calgar101]

When aSpace Wolf leader recants his oaths he recants those to the current Great Wolf not the Emperor or Imperium. The Ecclesiarchy tried to come near Fenris... The Wolves shot some of them down... Only one other place has better defences; Terra.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

not to mention the wolves and the inquisition have had wars between the two and the inquisition has always been the first to step down.

 

now mind you thats the inquisition as a whole not all the inquisitors of the inquisition in each and every regard

[Wildfire]

Well, the Space Wolf novel establishes that the Space Wolves does have ties to the Inquisition.

 

All Black Library novels = trash. No fanfic can be considered cannon, imo.

 

Also, the Inquisition would have a very hard time justifying that a First Founding chapter had turned. No chapter fully cooperates with the Inquisition, but especially not the SW. Particularily since Armageddon. They may be forced to from time to time, but even then they'd throw up as many roadblocks to an investigation as possible.

[styx]

not to mention the wolves and the inquisition have had wars between the two and the inquisition has always been the first to step down.

 

now mind you thats the inquisition as a whole not all the inquisitors of the inquisition in each and every regard

 

Where was this fluff at?

[styx]

Well, the Space Wolf novel establishes that the Space Wolves does have ties to the Inquisition.

 

All Black Library novels = trash. No fanfic can be considered cannon, imo.

 

Also, the Inquisition would have a very hard time justifying that a First Founding chapter had turned. No chapter fully cooperates with the Inquisition, but especially not the SW. Particularily since Armageddon. They may be forced to from time to time, but even then they'd throw up as many roadblocks to an investigation as possible.

 

Problem is BLN are not fanfic but written by a company that is under the GW umbrella, not just some guy doing up his own stuff. Just like a writer for a codex they are being paid to add fluff and cannon to the genre. Granted it may be crap and make no sense that we baulk at but it is there in any case.

 

As for the second part yea, they would try to fight it, block it, argue it. In the end they would not risk pushing to the point that they could go to that breaking point of being pushed into a label of traitor or tainted. At some point the SW would do what is right than risk damnation.

 

If I recall the Inquisiton was paying attention to the 13th company reports during the Eye of Terror, they are always watching. I doubt the Wolves have a free pass just because they are a first founding.

[Beef]

This is an interesting question, If the returning wolves were taint free and swore loyalty to the great wolf what would happen to them as SW only have 12 great companies (13 if you count the 13th)

 

But the same question could be asked of any marine chapter who has a company return years after it was lost. Obviously another company would have been raised in the meantime. I suppose the returning marines would be assimilated into current companies or as a whole join a under strength company. As for the wolf lord being SW he could fight the current wolf lord who his marines are being assimilated into over rights to lead. Whoever wins they take over all command of the great company.

Its the SW way

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

not to mention the wolves and the inquisition have had wars between the two and the inquisition has always been the first to step down.

 

now mind you thats the inquisition as a whole not all the inquisitors of the inquisition in each and every regard

 

Where was this fluff at?

 

 

codex space wolves battle section. it describes the space wolves and an ordro malleus =I= fighting against slaanashie and khornate daemons. the =I= does something and the daemons start fighting each other. the puritan sect of the Odro Malleus come to kill the =I= for tampering with the warp and chaos. the wolves fight off the inquisition long enough for the =I= to get away

[Raulmichile]

Nowhere in any fluff source states that a lost company returned to the Fang to rejoin the Chapter. I think when this finally happens there will be some overcrowding problems allocating the new company :pinch:

 

I believe each case should be trated separately, the current Great Wolf considering the reasons why the company separated and then decided to reunite. In most cases I guess they would be rejected once more.

[Ladislao]

This is an interesting question, If the returning wolves were taint free and swore loyalty to the great wolf what would happen to them as SW only have 12 great companies (13 if you count the 13th)

 

But the same question could be asked of any marine chapter who has a company return years after it was lost. Obviously another company would have been raised in the meantime. I suppose the returning marines would be assimilated into current companies or as a whole join a under strength company. As for the wolf lord being SW he could fight the current wolf lord who his marines are being assimilated into over rights to lead. Whoever wins they take over all command of the great company.

Its the SW way

Yes, this could be, very wolfish way

[styx]

not to mention the wolves and the inquisition have had wars between the two and the inquisition has always been the first to step down.

 

now mind you thats the inquisition as a whole not all the inquisitors of the inquisition in each and every regard

 

Where was this fluff at?

 

 

codex space wolves battle section. it describes the space wolves and an ordro malleus =I= fighting against slaanashie and khornate daemons. the =I= does something and the daemons start fighting each other. the puritan sect of the Odro Malleus come to kill the =I= for tampering with the warp and chaos. the wolves fight off the inquisition long enough for the =I= to get away

 

Even in this case, they still protected their allied Inquisitor, loyality, which could be proven. Once the fight was over with the Puritan's they no doubt had an inquiry with the Ordos later and the matter was resolved/closed after they prooved they was not corrupted and their intent was in good faith and that of the Emperor's will. The point is even if a missing company appeared, they would defend them and try to keep them safe but eventually they would have to give some ground or risk a war they do not wish to fight or have it turn badly for them in the eyes of the Emperor and Russ.

[styx]

This is an interesting question, If the returning wolves were taint free and swore loyalty to the great wolf what would happen to them as SW only have 12 great companies (13 if you count the 13th)

 

But the same question could be asked of any marine chapter who has a company return years after it was lost. Obviously another company would have been raised in the meantime. I suppose the returning marines would be assimilated into current companies or as a whole join a under strength company. As for the wolf lord being SW he could fight the current wolf lord who his marines are being assimilated into over rights to lead. Whoever wins they take over all command of the great company.

Its the SW way

 

The logic would be that company was written off as "lost", thus they would no doubt break the company apart and fill in gaps in other great companies that have sustained losses, perhaps even send some to train recruits also.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

Even in this case, they still protected their allied Inquisitor, loyality, which could be proven. Once the fight was over with the Puritan's they no doubt had an inquiry with the Ordos later and the matter was resolved/closed after they prooved they was not corrupted and their intent was in good faith and that of the Emperor's will. The point is even if a missing company appeared, they would defend them and try to keep them safe but eventually they would have to give some ground or risk a war they do not wish to fight or have it turn badly for them in the eyes of the Emperor and Russ.

 

 

umm what?

 

logan has fought the imperium many a time and the space wolves often dismiss the orders of Imperial high command

 

Codex Space Wolves 5th Edition page 56, 4th paragraph.

 

"It is not just against the enemies of the Imperium that Grimnar has waged his war. He has willingly, some would say joyfully, led his forces into battle against Imperial Institutions whose agendas and actions he deemed threatening to those within his sprawling domain. this has led to many accusations of rebellion, heresy, and treason being levelled at Logan and his Chapter, along with the usual rumors of genetic deviancy. the fact that the Old Wolf is so ready to meet his detractors on the field of battle is undeniably one of the reasons why these allegations are not taken further - the senior adepts of the Administratum know from experience that is it better to have the space wolves as allies than as enemies. nevertheless, no matter how unorthodox his methods, none can deny that Logan Grimnar is one of the most successful of all humanity's commanders, a true champion of the Imperium and an inspiration to man and Adeptus Astartes alike"

 

Codex Space Wolves 5th Edition page 19, Battle of Montberg Spaceport Closing Sentences

 

" When the six surviving Grey Hunters finally leave the spaceport themselves, Imperial High Command orders them to be stripped of all honours for disobeying a direct command. instead Brand Redmaw promotes all six into his personal Wolf Guard in recognition of their valourous deeds."

 

 

Codex Space Wolves 5th Edition page 19, The Ecclesiarchy comes to fenris

 

" A quorum of Ecclesiarchy officials approach Fenris, intending to inspect nd assess the Space Wolves after hearing rumours of the worship of pagan gods. Amazingly the space wolves open fire upon the Ecclesiarchy as soon as they come in range of the Fang's guns. Almost a year later, the ecclesiarchy and three orders of the Adepta Soroitas attempt to enter Fenrisian space in fore. the resultant war lasts for three weeks before the Ecclesiarchy decides to let sleeping dogs lie and withdraws its forces."

 

Codex Space Wolves 5th Edition page 19, Honour's End

 

During the Eclipse Wars, the space wolves fight alongside the Angels Vindicant and Flesh Tearers Chapters upon the shrine world Lucid Prime. Largely due to a ferocious Flesh Tearers counter attack imperial forces are able to drive off the chaos space marine forces terrorizing Hive Ratspire. however the flesh tearers continue their indiscriminate killing even after the chaos renegades have been driven away. Despite Chapter Master Seth's insistence that his men are purging those that have been tainted by the presence of chaos, the space wolves are outraged and attack the flesh tearers at once. the resultant battle sees brother fighting brother with the death of many hundreds

on either side. this terrible event is known forever more as Hnour's End."

 

 

Ive already mentioned Daemonbane War

 

 

so as ive pointed out they could give less than a flying dung heap about what many of the other orders in the imperium from the codex astartes to the high lords. they listen to no ones commands except the emperor's, russ's, and their own superiors. So no they wouldnt

have to give some ground or risk a war they do not wish to fight or have it turn badly for them in the eyes of the Emperor and Russ