Verythrax Draconis Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I believe that you guys must remember that the old Index Astartes (or other book, I don't remember) used to have an SM chapter that had the inquisitorial =I= in their chapter badge. As far as I know, it was never explained. Some minor fluff (or mere speculation) said that such chapter use to work under direct inquisitorial authority. Well, I just took a brief look at the latest Imperial Armour book. There's the Red Hunters (dunno if it's the same chapter mentioned in the oooold fluff) but they match the characteristics, and are fighting together with other imperial forces, inquisitors and Grey Knights. So my point is: I remember myself posting last year about some =I= stuff that FW was releasing, and thought that it could be a sign of things to come. Considering how self-limiting the GK fluff is (or SoB fluff, as well), adding to the fact that the newer codices are being packed of different stuff (as FW stuff being available in the normal game), could it means that the RH could be present in the next (if it's release, anyway) DH codex? We know that the allies rules are dying in the 5th edition, and the main idea is to make self-contained codices. And people is allying SMs to DHs to balances their armies right know. It would fit well in the streamlined philosophy of the newer codices, and could be an interesting mid-term in adapting our more complex/strange/oddball armies to the 5th ed style. So, you guys think it's possible? ... maybe arbites for WH, finally :P THAT would make for all the fear of abandonement I'm feeling right now - and would be coll as hell to throw at the face of the other armies' players. Discuss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 The Red Hunters are just a Chapter that works closely with the Inquisition (why, when they have the Grey Knights... But hey, seemingly, everyone and their dogs knows aobut Dameons now, evenif they're not supposed to ta about them...). The Exorcists would be better. A Chapter created purely by the Inquisition, forced to be possessed as part of the initiation ritual. Exorcised by Grey Knights. And then watched over by Grey Knights in battle. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2284411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 The Red Hunters are just a Chapter that works closely with the Inquisition (why, when they have the Grey Knights... But hey, seemingly, everyone and their dogs knows aobut Dameons now, evenif they're not supposed to ta about them...). The Exorcists would be better. A Chapter created purely by the Inquisition, forced to be possessed as part of the initiation ritual. Exorcised by Grey Knights. And then watched over by Grey Knights in battle. ;) I was thinking something like they having something unique, like SWs, DAs, BAs or BTs. But in a way that could complement the GKs (and/or ISTs) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2284414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 The Red Hunters are just a Chapter that works closely with the Inquisition (why, when they have the Grey Knights... But hey, seemingly, everyone and their dogs knows aobut Dameons now, evenif they're not supposed to ta about them...). There are a limited number of Grey Knights, and the Imperium is a very, very big place. That's not to mention the fact that if the Codex is anything to go by Grey Knights are very Puritanical in their outlook, and Radicals need troops too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2285127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 There are a limited number of Grey Knights, and the Imperium is a very, very big place. That's not to mention the fact that if the Codex is anything to go by Grey Knights are very Puritanical in their outlook, and Radicals need troops too. Red Hunters for puritans and Exorcists for radicals? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2285202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 I think it'd be cool if it went down like this: Red Hunters are a chapter that works very closely with the Ordo Hereticus. (speculation that they were even created by them perhaps?) Excorsists work very closely with the Ordo Malleus. (speculation that they are of the same gene-seed of the Grey Knights) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2285406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Mournival Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Excorsists work very closely with the Ordo Malleus. (speculation that they are of the same gene-seed of the Grey Knights) Might as well be fact. In the short story Headhunted there's an Exorcist and his thoughts straight out tell you that the Exorcists have GK geneseed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2285488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom James Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Don't forget the Relictors. If there's any SM chapter other than the Grey Knights that I'd like to see included in the =I= codex, it would be a Relictors chapter for use in radical armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2285535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Don't forget the Relictors. If there's any SM chapter other than the Grey Knights that I'd like to see included in the =I= codex, it would be a Relictors chapter for use in radical armies. They were exommunicated though. But, it would be awesome if the retracted that statement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2286123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Don't forget the Relictors. If there's any SM chapter other than the Grey Knights that I'd like to see included in the =I= codex, it would be a Relictors chapter for use in radical armies. Not going to happen. Being listed in the 5th Edition Space Marine Codex means that they won't appear in another Codex, except as a name drop (ie Grey Knights kicking their arses). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2287299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 I just read some of the IA book. FW proposes that Red Hunters don't usually deploy as an army, but as elite troops close to an inquisitor. I have a hinch that instead of allies, the codex will offer SMs as elites, or even FA and HS, to lists that don't employ GKs (radicals, maybe?) "disguising" them as chapters close to the =I=. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2289868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalist Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 There was a discussion about the Red Hunters on this forum from July - Sept. 2009 reviewing all info available from past fluff and IA7. Although in IA7 Red Hunters are described as attached to individual Inquisitors in squads, the book also describes a disastrous massed assault by drop pod in which most of a Red Hunters company was wiped out. The past GW fluff was that Red Hunters have at times deployed their entire chapter under the command of Inquisitor Lords. IA7 indicates they have all the equipment available to a standard SM codex chapter, with no special abilites or roles like the Deathwatch or Grey Knights. The Red Hunters appear to be a SM chapter founded to provide a military resource for the Inqusition in units as small as bodyguard squads or as the entire chapter in major conflicts. A tally of all Red Hunter forces mentioned in IA7 indicates a deployment of nearly 3 companies: terminators and Land Raiders from the First, all of the Third, and an unidentified but nearly complete company that was wiped out in the drop pod assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2290545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 Yeah, this info is already available in the lexicanum. The IA mentions they are a codex astartes chapter (what could make them easily a 'fixed' choice to replace allied SMs) so that's why they don't have specific rules on them in the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192408-red-hunters-some-hope/#findComment-2290558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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