SpaceWolf13C Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 ive never used the trickster and i was inspired by the arjac thread and wondered if anyone uses the trickster and what has he done? has he been significant, is he a dud, or has he ever been a real game changer and brought you out of a dire situation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 I think Lukas is one of those best used for a suicide squad, RE: The Last Laugh (IIRC, dont have my Codex at the mo). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLF_GUARD Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Personally dont use him, but a friend told me he's a must have in apoc games as a titan hunter FREEZES TITAN IN TIME BOOSH 800points gone :lol: ;) love the sound of it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 I have not used him yet, but the prospect of taking a transport with a unit inside off the table in the right circumstances is very tempting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 A) Does anyone use search any more? B ) to many people know he is used as a suicide unit, so from what i have seen people either shoot his squad with anything they can spare, or just leave him alone a move away from him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 A) Does anyone use search any more? Â At least for myself, search doesnt actually work properly with the forums. Â And I long ago gave up hunting for links to related threads! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Personally don't use him, as I can't spare the points and he doesn't fit my army anyway, but I have a friend who runs Mentor Legion (using space wolf rules. don't ask, I hate him too). He claims to get extremely good results from Lukas+Vindicaire (nowhere does it say the vindicaire can't shoot our own units). Making him essentially a remote detonator. Very useful, or so he says. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 How is he working that tactic? He can't pick Lukas out or shouldn't be able to as he is a unit upgrade, not an IC. So the whole squad he is with would have to be dead before he could shoot Lukas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Well I am not sure about shooting your own guy. But the vindicare can pick out any model even upgrade characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Yes, Vindicare assasin can snipe any upgrades/btb with objective counters etc, but shooting his own guy definately sucks as a tactical move. From fluff and sportsmanship point of view. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 agreed plus you have to think if it is really worth it to kill that many points worth of a fancy BC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 Not to mention all BC in base contact with Lukas when you do that. Thats a pretty expensive sacrificial lamb if you ask me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted February 13, 2010 Share Posted February 13, 2010 you can't target your own units so the guy shooting him with a vindicare is so wrong its untrue. the only time your own shooting can hurt your own units is if it is a blast weapon that scatters onto them. Â as far as the character goes, doesn't float my boat so doubt i will use him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempronius Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 I killed him and a squad of some Elite choice (not sure what they were called) with a squad of Eldar Guardians. He's not that great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 you can't target your own units so the guy shooting him with a vindicare is so wrong its untrue. Â a vindicare assassin ignores pretty much all rules for shooting except LOS. i forget exactly what their respected codices say, but it is one of those very controversial topics out there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 The vindicator specifies "the vindicator can target any model in line of sight regardles of target restrictions" Â although he hits on a 2+ he would still have to get through luca's doupleganger pelt. But it sounds like a bad way to use lukas. Â Also, although it detsroys titans, there is a special rule regarding titan (under constructuons points) that it only count as taking one construction point. (This is not specified in the FAQ because the FAQ cover's lucas, not the rule for construction points and destruction.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coverfire Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 ` So how much does he help a Blood Claws unit? Â I haven't used him yet, but would like to; but do not want to create a suicide squad. I think that a wolf guard and Wolf priest would be a better choice but would like to hear other peoples comments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 ` So how much does he help a Blood Claws unit? Â from what i have seen, he gets them killed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 The vindicator specifies "the vindicator can target any model in line of sight regardles of target restrictions"  although he hits on a 2+ he would still have to get through luca's doupleganger pelt. But it sounds like a bad way to use lukas.  Also, although it detsroys titans, there is a special rule regarding titan (under constructuons points) that it only count as taking one construction point. (This is not specified in the FAQ because the FAQ cover's lucas, not the rule for construction points and destruction.)  I'm not certain I see the difference? Is there a rule pertaining to construction points contributing towards winning (I don't play much apoc)? What I do know is that specific beats general, and the GW Space Wolves FAQ specifically says:  Q. Does Lukas the Trickster’s The Last Laugh ability affect friendly models? How about vehicles? Or Warlord-class Titans, for that matter? A. Yes in all three cases – it affects any unit in base contact. Stasis fields are very all-or-nothing affairs!   This is located  http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...eWolves_Jan2010  here, if anyone is curious. Free to the public (I've been yelled at before). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 By that gw faq it would also affect a Hierophant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 The vindicare may be able to target any moel in range, but it still can't target your own units as NOTHING can target friendly models. Its like saying he can shoot into ombat, he can't. all the vindicare can do is target any enemy model he wishes that is in range and los. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Actually the vindicare can shoot into close combat as per the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 cool, never noticed that, still can't shoot friendly units though but hey Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Yes, he can. By his rules, he can shoot any MODEL within line of sight. Not any enemy. His targetting rule echoes the rules for blasts and skills that hit friend and foe. I've actually used him in the past to kill that last persistent model that is stuck in CC with an enemy unit so that I could then shoot at that unit. Doesn't make me a very popular commander among my troops, but hey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjarl Grimblood Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Way way overpriced for what he does. I think he'll barely ever make up his points, even with his suicide trick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192467-the-trickster/#findComment-2285976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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