Jaws and stones

[fjgarces]

Hello brothers,

 

What about some targets of JOTWW standing on rocks, barrels or cans to elude the thin line of this power?.

 

Some people claims that Jotww can't affect minis upstairs in buildings and minis over hills o some surface higher than the base ground.

 

:) ;) :(

[Hear da Lamentation]

Well, surely the way you do it is you choose your target for JoWW - if this is a bloke standing on a rock, then you draw a line (with string) between your RP and this guy. Any figure which this line touches is effected by the JoWW. If you choose someone way up in the top of a building then this is going to affect less people on the ground ... but it isnt going to stop him being affected.

 

If you choose a guy standing on the ground, then yes, this would make a guy on a building (sayin between the RP and target) as not being hit.

 

This seems a common sense way of doing it ..... but ...... well .... :P

[Frostfang]

Since JotWW is actually a chasm that opens in the ground, I rule that only models on the ground floor can be affected. But I don't see how standing on a rock is going to help him, the rock/can/whatever is small enough to fall into the crack as well.

 

But then you could argue how Carnifexes, Trygons and Tervigons can fall into the JotWW generated cracks, while an Ork buggy cannot. Or how the JotWW can affect jetbikes, for that matter. :P

[Wildfire]

This has been done to death. Use the search function.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

ground floor makes the most sense. being in a buidling in my group does protect them however since a hill is part of the ground and so are the debris on the ground then standing on such little things will not help

[Stormbrow II]

If the model isn't on the ground floor of a building then it doesn't get affected by Jaws. Putting the model on top of a barrel or putting it on a large stone on it's base and claiming immunity from Jaws is like trying to claim that the Doom of Malantai doesn't get Warp Field because he's not a Zoanthrope. It's slap in the face time.

[fjgarces]

Thank you all guys for your quick reply!!!

 

I'll still playing like that. Jawing orks on top of hills and firing Murderer hurricanes against troops in buildings/ruins :cuss

 

Javi

[SpaceWolf13C]

so im curious as to where people are getting that jaws wouldn't or doesn't effect a guy standing on the 2nd floor of a building.

in my mind a guy standing on the 44th floor is going to be just as affected by an earthquake as the guys on the 1st floor.

 

i guess its a small earthquake since vehicles dont get affected but still. is there an official word or is this a house rule?

[whitewolfmxc]

There is on official word for it , so its really how you see it

 

And yes i agree if the ground opens big enough for a Carnifex to fall into , i seriously doubt a building will not be effected , and to add realistic fact , the taller you are on a building the more "shake" you would get from a quake

[stinkenheim]

@ Spacewolf13c its because the rules state the line is drawn 'along the table' which most of us take to mean the same as ground level. as we are reading it the line isn't drawn diagonally through the air and no where in it does it allow the line to travel vertically up a building, so it has to stay along the table and therefore only affects people on the ground floor.

if you guys wanna play it differently then fine, but realise that if someone queries it then technically you aren't playing as the rule is written and they may well object.

[Inquisitor Kravin]

Surely since it's a psychic shooting attack then you can select any target within LOS?

 

As for the issue with "along the table", it does take a bit of common sense. If a model is on a hill then the chasm is going to run up and through the surface of the hill and the hill is not "in universe" a separate entity. It's a device that we use to get around the fact that our tables are flat and real landscapes are not. However to try to claim that you could fire it up in the air and attack a model on a bridge or other substantial structure with a significant footprint is plainly silly. In between - it's up to you and your opponent. My solution is - take Living Lightning - it's so much simpler!

[Stormbrow II]

My solution is - take Living Lightning - it's so much simpler!

You could, but it's not as good.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

well not to go off topic but an unlimited range d6 autocannon round (with slightly less ap) comboed with beast slayer and a chosen is damn well very good.

[SpaceWolf13C]

i see but i still think the example of sniping someone on a bridge would work because if the earth is opening up and widening then everything that is on that earth is widening too. therefore causing a crack in the bridge in which the character falls down. then the crack in the earth magically seals shut so that we dont have to start sawing our tables apart and the bridge defies gravity, refusing to fall down and restores itself as well.

[stinkenheim]

obviously certain situations need to be worked out at the time and im not going to list every eventuality here, but certain things are considered to be the 'table' so to speak in most of the gaming clubs i play in.

 

things like hills, although raised areas they are thought of as ground level and not a different level like floors in buildings for instance.

if you had a bridge modeled onto your table, with a deep ravine below (the sort of ravine that you never put models in because there is no way out of it during games) then i would be happy for the power to run along it. opbviously this assumes yu are stood at one end of the bridge and firing it straight across, if you were at an angle and firing along the ground, through the air and then across the width of the bridge i would say no.

it all depends, and the best thing is to talk to your opponent during the game.