Garro: Oath of Moment & Garro: Legion of One

[Kodanshi]

I appreciate those comments, and they do make sense. It does, however, strike me as utterly bizarre that a book called Garro: Legion of One (as in he IS the army that goes around kicking arse, etc) would feature a completely different character on the cover!

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Hate to break it to you guys its Cruze not loken. if you remember correctly Cruz reverted back to the luna wolves paint scheme when he linked up with garro in flight of the eisenstein. where as loken was in the new sons of horus livery when he landed on Istvaan 3 and as far was we know he didnt make it off planet. Also the shoulder pad icon looks sort of like the eye of horus.

 

Well you might want to check what the Luna Wolf paint scheme was. It is white, not the off white/ grey that the Sons of Horus wear and is on the cover of this A-book. The Eye of Horus is also the Icon of the Sons of Horus, even more reason why it can not be Cruze. The Astartes on the cover of Legion of one is wearing Sons of Horus colors. He is also showing Luna Wolf icons though. I can see a old Luna Wolf not wanting to totally give up his connection to his first legion.

 

 

I appreciate those comments, and they do make sense. It does, however, strike me as utterly bizarre that a book called Garro: Legion of One (as in he IS the army that goes around kicking arse, etc) would feature a completely different character on the cover!

 

We do not yet know the full plot of the book is. The reason for the name and art cover could have a very good reason. Why i can't answer but the who i think i'm right. Loken is the only captain who they go out of the way to point out uses only a bolter and chain sword. There have also been rumors of future books with actions taken by survivors of Istvaan III. It may be true that we have not been told, yet, that Loken makes it off Istvaan III, but we have been told in no uncertain terms, that he lives past the end of GiF / Fulgrim. If i were Garro, returning to Istvaan III and looking for survivors would be high on my things to do list. I think Garro has been tasked by Malcador to find the founders of the =][=. These are the 12 people brought before the Emperor before he confronts Horus. Loken is still on my list, and i see no reason to remove him.

[Pacific81]

Hate to break it to you guys its Cruze not loken. if you remember correctly Cruz reverted back to the luna wolves paint scheme when he linked up with garro in flight of the eisenstein. where as loken was in the new sons of horus livery when he landed on Istvaan 3 and as far was we know he didnt make it off planet. Also the shoulder pad icon looks sort of like the eye of horus.

 

Indeed. Aside from the fact of the title 'Legion of One' (and we know Iacton was the last surviving member of the Luna Wolves, after he had painted his armour back in the old colours). So, that discounts it being a Death Guard (Garro) as we know a bunch of them escaped in FoTE.

Perhaps the most important point is he has the Luna Wolf symbol on his chest.

 

Also, you have to debate what kind of role Loken would have in the HH from the inside of a bucket.. :D

[Artein]

It's Garro in first Grey Knight armour obviously. ;)

[Pacific81]

It may be true that we have not been told, yet, that Loken makes it off Istvaan III, but we have been told in no uncertain terms, that he lives past the end of GiF / Fulgrim.

 

Where is your source for this please?

 

Dan Abnett has said that Loken (or rather, alluded to him) might feature in future HH material. However, this does not mean unequivocally that he survived Istvaan - consider the potential for books to be written both at the same time and before current events.

 

Apparently it will become clear once you hear it, why the title on the cover is 'Garro', yet features a picture of Iacton Cruze (this is what I've been told, although I have no idea about the reason why! :) )

[Yaji]

I think that it is Garro on the cover. He is in his Death Guard armor. He has affixed Iactons Luna Wolves badge to his torso, probably as a last favor when Iacton dies.

Compare with the cover of Oath. It's the same guy, 3 service studs and all.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

It may be true that we have not been told, yet, that Loken makes it off Istvaan III, but we have been told in no uncertain terms, that he lives past the end of GiF / Fulgrim.

 

Where is your source for this please?

 

Dan Abnett has said that Loken (or rather, alluded to him) might feature in future HH material. However, this does not mean unequivocally that he survived Istvaan - consider the potential for books to be written both at the same time and before current events.

 

 

 

From A-DB's blog..

"For the record, at his first Horus Heresy meeting, my client argued that it looked too much like Loken had died in Galaxy in Flames, and it wasn’t written vaguely enough for a convincing return. Ol’ Loken’s story looked finished. But this goes above one little opinion. Loken was always intended to survive, which is why Dan says on his videos and at numerous signings that “Loken is alive” and “Loken was always intended to survive”. So stop asking me. I mean… Aaron. Stop asking Aaron. Yes."

[Pacific81]

So.. this is going to turn into another 'Loken is alive!!!!' topic? :)

 

Yes Dan Abnett has made comments to that effect.

 

But, personally I think it is him being scurrilous and with more than a hint of his dry sense of humour. He knows he has made possibly the most iconic character of the HH series bar none, and he is one that we will probably waiting for the resurrection of even in 10 years time, simply because the book didn't feature the line 'Loken was reduced to his component atoms, and then these were spread into each corner of the galaxy and fired into the heart of a sun' when writing about his death (even though it was otherwise a pretty convincing account of his death). Although I think even such a line would still not be enough to convince some people that he was dead. After all, someone was talking about Torgaddon coming back in another thread recently, despite the fact that he had been beheaded!

 

I will be surprised if a 'is Loken dead?' thread does still not occasionally pop up in 5 years time.

[malika666]

What if these will be part of a series within a series? As in that the Garro (audio)books are a storyline within the larger Horus Heresy series...

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

So.. this is going to turn into another 'Loken is alive!!!!' topic? :D

It wont be a true 'Loken is alive!!!' thread until some one pleads for the moderators to close the thread.....

 

Yes Dan Abnett has made comments to that effect.

Yet still you choose to ignore them or rationalize away what they are saying. If only some author would say that Loken is dead.

 

But, personally I think it is him being scurrilous and with more than a hint of his dry sense of humour. He knows he has made possibly the most iconic character of the HH series bar none, and he is one that we will probably waiting for the resurrection of even in 10 years time, simply because the book didn't feature the line 'Loken was reduced to his component atoms, and then these were spread into each corner of the galaxy and fired into the heart of a sun' when writing about his death (even though it was otherwise a pretty convincing account of his death). Although I think even such a line would still not be enough to convince some people that he was dead. After all, someone was talking about Torgaddon coming back in another thread recently, despite the fact that he had been beheaded!

I think Torgaddon's death is important. As with the other important characters in the story if he dies some one sees it. If there is no witness and no body then the chance of some one being alive after people think he is dead to high to bank on.

 

I will be surprised if a 'is Loken dead?' thread does still not occasionally pop up in 5 years time.

Well the good news is we only have to wait until April for Legion of One to come out. The question is will it be enough to hear Loken is alive from a book or will people still claim he is dead...

[Guest]

The marine on Legion of One is a bit odd. It's definitely not Garro, unless he's wearing another legions armour. The symbol on his shoulder pad is identical to the Sons of Horus logo on the cover of Horus Rising (which are Sons of Horus and not Luna Wolves, the covers for HR and FG were mixed up I believe). Qruze is supposed to be wearing Luna Wolves colours, so it may not be him either.

 

Perhaps we are going to see Isstvan again? The background looks fitting.

[HandOfDorn]

The death of Torgaddon was certainly important, it sowed the seeds of doubt in Aximand's mind, i like to think he will eventually do an act to cripple the traitors fleet in orbit, or something similarly brutal, before getting done in by Ezekyle Abaddon.. specualtion is awesome!

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

The marine on Legion of One is a bit odd. It's definitely not Garro, unless he's wearing another legions armour. The symbol on his shoulder pad is identical to the Sons of Horus logo on the cover of Horus Rising (which are Sons of Horus and not Luna Wolves, the covers for HR and FG were mixed up I believe). Qruze is supposed to be wearing Luna Wolves colours, so it may not be him either.

 

Perhaps we are going to see Isstvan again? The background looks fitting.

 

/agree 100%.

 

But what about the weapons? Can you not get some more information from them?

[Marshal Rohr]

Loken had hair.....

[Doghouse]

Hate to break it to you guys its Cruze not loken. if you remember correctly Cruz reverted back to the luna wolves paint scheme when he linked up with garro in flight of the eisenstein. where as loken was in the new sons of horus livery when he landed on Istvaan 3 and as far was we know he didnt make it off planet. Also the shoulder pad icon looks sort of like the eye of horus.

 

Yeah it is definitely Iacton Qruze. :)

 

Weirdly enough though his armour is based on this guy here's rendition of Loken.

 

http://www.coolminiornot.com/169156

 

I wouldn't put too much faith in the details of the cover artwork for these books, there is a lot of artistic license used in them all.

[Guest]

Actually I reckon Neil Roberts has been pretty good with his covers so far. Nearly all of them match up with a scene in the novel right down to the characters description from the novel itself. Not all of them though.

 

I would put money on this not being Qruze :rolleyes:

[Pacific81]

Most of the covers have been ok (although with some differences in how the armour looks), except for the first 2 being the wrong way around haha !

 

How much money would you be willing to bet on it Lutherite? ;)

[Doghouse]

Yeah I'll take that bet! ;)

 

There definitely is some artistic license allowed in a lot of the covers of the novels with armour details and colours.

[Guest]

I'd put a days wages on it not being Qruze :)

 

Artistic license is one thing and getting the colour scheme completely wrong is another, and I don't think Neil Roberts would make that big a mistake. As we know Qruze is supposed to be wearing Luna Wolf armour from now on, and that is not Luna Wolf colours on the Legion of One cover. But I guess we shall just have to wait and see :)

[Doghouse]

And getting the armour completely wrong as well I might add as it's a direct copy of someone else's impression of Mk IV rather than the proper suit. :P I'm just hoping he had the courtesy to ask permission first before doing so.

 

Most of the covers are largely inaccurate in terms of details.

 

Shroudfilm over on the great crusade site works as a contractor for BL making the interview videos with their writers that are on youtube and has said that it's Iacton as well.

Seeing that he has direct contact with the BL staff I'd be inclined to believe him.

[Pacific81]

Doghouse.. you were meant to say that AFTER we had received the man's wages :tu:

[Guest]

And getting the armour completely wrong as well I might add as it's a direct copy of someone else's impression of Mk IV rather than the proper suit. :huh: I'm just hoping he had the courtesy to ask permission first before doing so.

 

I wouldn't say that is completely wrong then, it still looks like Mk IV armour and I'm sure the suit can vary in look.

 

Most of the covers are largely inaccurate in terms of details.

 

Yes but some of them are quite accurate :huh:

 

Shroudfilm over on the great crusade site works as a contractor for BL making the interview videos with their writers that are on youtube and has said that it's Iacton as well.

Seeing that he has direct contact with the BL staff I'd be inclined to believe him.

 

Do you have a link?

[Pacific81]

There isn't a video that shows anyone saying 'this is Iacton on the cover' as far as I'm aware, Doghouse was just pointing out that the guy from the other forum who makes the BLTV videos is in a position to know this kind of stuff.

 

Mate, we've both been around on these boards for a while, and we've got no reason to lie about it or make something up. Furthermore, if this was the kind of thing we had fabricated in the past, we would have had a reputation for doing so. I trust the person who told me that the cover is Qruze (completely aside from the evidence pointing one way or another, even though I personally believe that you can see its Qruze), as again he has no beef in it being Qruze, Garro or whoever..

 

But of course it's entirely up to you what you want to think.. we could all be working for GW and painting a massive conspiracy to throw everyone off the fact that it's actually about the return of Loken.. :P

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

There isn't a video that shows anyone saying 'this is Iacton on the cover' as far as I'm aware, Doghouse was just pointing out that the guy from the other forum who makes the BLTV videos is in a position to know this kind of stuff.

 

Mate, we've both been around on these boards for a while, and we've got no reason to lie about it or make something up. Furthermore, if this was the kind of thing we had fabricated in the past, we would have had a reputation for doing so. I trust the person who told me that the cover is Qruze (completely aside from the evidence pointing one way or another, even though I personally believe that you can see its Qruze), as again he has no beef in it being Qruze, Garro or whoever..

 

But of course it's entirely up to you what you want to think.. we could all be working for GW and painting a massive conspiracy to throw everyone off the fact that it's actually about the return of Loken.. :P

 

I got $ on this last bit. 2nd hand hear-say dose not cut it with out a quote. You could have read it wrong. Most of you still think loken is dead after all....

[Pacific81]

Please Lord Lorne Walkier, let's leave Loken for just a moment to one of the 18,000 other threads he has going for him :lol:

 

I will quote myself:

 

But of course it's entirely up to you what you want to think..

 

I've said my piece, I've got no reason to lie or to mistrust the word of someone I have met personally. You can continue to doubt it whatever, without Alan Merrett appearing above your house riding a cloud and releasing fire and brimstone about it there is no way to be completely sure about anything. :D

 

I now ask you to prove to me that the person on that cover isn't actually Tom Bombardil..