moranimal Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 The headless corpse is Torgaddon. Saul Tarvitz is likely to be found alive with others including the venerable dreadnaught Rylanor in a future book or audio book. Edit: Had to remember the spoiler syntax. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2708707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Wether or not Loken is alive has been debated alot (!) and now the truth of that matter is given to us in an AUDIO BOOK ?!??!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2708734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Just listened to the audio book today and it is by far and away THE best one I have listened to so far. Most of the others have been decent but ultimately you just listen to it and think 'meh' and move on. But with this one (coming from a position of not reading any of the rumours preceding it) was just epic. from the moment they arrive on some ash world to when they meet human survivors and the rumour of a 'beast'...then when slowly you realize 'hang on...this is Istvaan III...the 'beast' is Loken! and wait a minute those survivors are..... O_O' . Seriously the story sent a chill up my spine when Loken finally remembered who he was. So obviously you can gather I quite liked this one LOL ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2708857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNoMore Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Gave it a listen right now and I really liked it! Chills down my spine at the end, made my day. It would be the worst april's fools if Black Library made an announcement tomorrow about Loken and that it was in fact an april's fools taken too far... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2709505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techmarine Andreas Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Seems we now have the Space Marine equivelent of the A - Team!!! Garro = Hannibal Loken = Murdoc Varren = BA Baraccas Rubio = Face Would love to know more about Varren. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2709642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Wow. Just wow. This was by far the best audio book to date. I knew what the plot was before i heard it and i was still blown away. Cerberus war cry was bone chilling. His insults were heart felt. He also made Khorne Berzerkers look like Bezerker Lite. It seems that the time Cerberus spent digging him self out broke down some of his mental condition he went through post Nikaea. Like it or not, we now see what it takes to be a founding member of the Grey Knights of Titan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2709705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 To be honest with you, I wouldn't call this the best audio out there. I has a few advantages but purely in terms of strength of writing I would say it was on par with Raven's Flight and the Night Lords audio. Taking into account the other audio books, I would still say that Heart of Rage remains the best of them. Legion of One is good for a number of reasons. The first of which being that it is the first audio without a foregone conclusion. All of the Horus Heresy audios until now had fans already knowing how they would end save for Lightning Tower, which mostly served as reflection of Rogal Dorn's personality than a true story. In addition to having people not know what would happen, people were very interested in this audio from the beginning. Mostly due to the mass wild guessing that Loken would turn up in it and already cared greatly upon how it would follow on from other events or bring back an old character. Most of the others did not really have that. The final main strength it seems to have over the others is that it seems to be the first one actually written to be an audio rather than a short story. There are long periods of time where the narrator says nothing and we only hear sound effects and character voices. Previously in older audios just about every line of dialogue was usually followed up by saying 'said Dorn angrily' or 'answered Corax'. They never really relied upon the voice acting entirely or gave the same level of immersion. At least, those are my thoughts on Legion of One anyway. Seems we now have the Space Marine equivelent of the A - Team!!! Garro = Hannibal Loken = Murdoc Varren = BA Baraccas Rubio = Face Would love to know more about Varren. In M31 an elite team of Astartes were almost wiped out by their Legions for remaining loyal to the Emperor. These men promptly escaped a full scale blockade into the Imperial Heartland of Terra. Today, still wanted by the Arch Traitor Horus, these men survive as the Knights Errant of the Sigillite. If you have a problem, if no one else can help you, and if you can find them. Then perhaps you can hire… The Grey Team. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2710158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Hehe, surely you mean 'The Grey Team' :P Close to sigging that otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2710260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Hehe, surely you mean 'The Grey Team' :) Close to sigging that otherwise. Hah! Should have thought of that while writing it. Editing now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2710399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 In M31 an elite team of Astartes were almost wiped out by their Legions for remaining loyal to the Emperor. These men promptly escaped a full scale blockade into the Imperial Heartland of Terra. Today, still wanted by the Arch Traitor Horus, these men survive as the Knights Errant of the Sigillite. If you have a problem, if no one else can help you, and if you can find them. Then perhaps you can hire… The Grey Team. Haha! XD Quality! made my day Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2711628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Disciple Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Damn, here I was hoping that I wouldnt have to ppick this one up. Is it just me or does it seem like this could be the start of the Deathwatch? Disciple Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2711913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Kase Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Mixed feelings on this one - and I'll have to reread the Eisenstein novel to see if that helps. The two Garro audio novels don't feel like the same Garro as in the novel.. and yes, I know he has gone through a lot and has changed, but it seems like even Swallow can't make up his mind about Garro. In one book he doesn't want to waste time trying to save the remaining loyalist marines, in the next, he is more than willing to grab a rag tag band of refugees that have 'miraculously' survived the virus bombing, even when his companions.. no wait, his subordinates.. clearly these marines have no experience or consol to offer, which brings me to the second problem I have with Garro, he is quite ignorant to his brother marines, when I recall him being a bit more the voice of temperance and reason in the Eisenstein novel. Apparently being the voice of the sigilite is akin to becoming a bit of a tosser. Feh. It has some good moments, and some interesting insight into the founding of the GKs - it was nice to see Verren. Personally, revealing Loken like this was a bit... well, lame. In a lot of ways, I was hoping they were there to find Tarvitz and the other survivors - would have made a lot more sense for them bulking out their numbers, and getting a good assortment of geneseed from the various chapters. Oh - and Codicier Lucion, that was pure genius B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2712758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I´m getting annoyed here. This is important bits of fluff, Why, oh why put it in an audio book!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2713061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Ok, listened to the two Garro audiobooks over the past 48 hours. Overall, quite pleased with them - they're predominantly good additions. I won't spoiler tag some of these spoilers as they've been well and truly revealed in previous posts. I unfortunately had the return of Loken surprise ruined for me by Black Library itself via Twitter - they retweeted some guy, probably LLK from here saying "re Garro Legion of One - I KNEW that favourite character had survived!". So knowing that from the outset, some of the suspense was lost from the get-go. That said there were lots of nice nods to "the debate". My favorite was Garro saying, about another character "no Astartes could be killed by a mere building collapsing on them!". Was a bit confused as to who Varren was and where he'd come from - not familiar with the apparent previous fluff about him. He was ok, but I was distracted by wondering who he was and what his story was. The character of Rubio is a new favourite of mine - I thought his character did a great job of highlighting how loyal librarians must have felt after the "new Nikea". Swallow also made a game effort at explaining what we've all been asking since "A Thousand Sons" - why are there librarians now if the Emperor absolutely banned them? It doesn't quite make sense still, but given he was trying to resolve a mess not of his making, was a good attempt. I was firmly against Loken being resurrected. I'm ok with how it was done - still jars the suspension of disbelief pretty harshly, but at least he wasnt just holed up, basically fine from his ordeal. I don't reckon the basilica and Torgaddon's body would still e there from the description of the final orbital barrage in GiF, but it's done now and we can move on. "Cereberus" was a pretty awesome device - I did think they might actually kill him off when Garro said he was too far gone. Thought he seemed to have recovered a little too completely at the end - reckon he'd still need a lot of time to heal his psyche, as opposed from going from full on "I an the Hound of Hell!!! BLLLAAAGGJHHRRRR!!!!" to being told "actually your name is Garviel Loken, this is Istvaan III", and then him going "oh yeah, I remember. Cool, let's jump on your millennium falcon and make a road movie!". My main beef with Legion of One was the way they completely changed Garro's voice from Oath of Moment. I liked his voice in oath of moment - a touch stuffy and pompous, but totally badass. In Legion of One, they made him sound like a cranky old man "now young Rubio, you must respect your elders". Made him sound like what I imagine Iacton Qruze would sound like. Was annoying as it was totally incongruous to how I pictured him. Malcador sounded so much like Palpatine that I was humming the Emperor's theme music from Return of the Jedi everytime he spoke (the choral bit in all the scenes he's with young Skywalker on the Death Star, not the Imperial March). You can just see him telling Cruze or someone "it was I who allowed your spies to know the location of the Astronomican - it is quite safe from your pitiful little band!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2713250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I was firmly against Loken being resurrected. I'm ok with how it was done - still jars the suspension of disbelief pretty harshly, but at least he wasnt just holed up, basically fine from his ordeal. I don't reckon the basilica and Torgaddon's body would still e there from the description of the final orbital barrage in GiF, but it's done now and we can move on. I think in you're haste to move on you are missing something. It seems to be a fundamental misconception. By calling his Return "resurrection" you fail to see he never died. Not only that but the building he was in was not even hit. It is important that Tarik Torgaddon's body was in such good condition. It was almost like the scene of the showdown of the Mournival was preserved. Like in a snow globe. It seems that maybe if he had just fell to the ground and not burried he might have lived( If Abaddon let him live). Maybe Cerberus reconstructed the scene in some mental breakdown. To me it seems that when he Faded to black in GIF he was some how protected from harm. The freaky part to me is how long is he there for? My guess is 5+ years...... Most who wanted/ thought he died used the sheer magnitude of what Horus sent to kill the Loyalists, to show how it would be almost impossible to survive. I agree that Horus would not hold back. It was well known that the Warmastrer would be Thorough. How could Cerberus be so Lucky? "The Emperor protects" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2713398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I meant LLW re the tweet. I meant "resurrected" figuratively as a character in the series, not literally resurrected from actually having died, if you see the distinction. I get that he apparently didn't actually die. I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense, or bears too close an examination, in terms the damage he sustained at Abaddon's hands, followed by the virus bombs, followed by the massive bombardment, followed by - as you say a very considerable amount of time by himself, utterly mad, with no help, on a planet riven by Nurgle's Rot. Even by the standards of 40K, it's pretty daft. All that said, the story itself was undeniably cool and enjoyable. It's done now, so like other aspects of the fluff that we aren't crazy about, there's little point in complaining about it further. It's not going to bother me much going forward if we get - as seems likely - further stories featuring Loken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2713416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=Dan=- Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I was so annoyed with my ipod, I avoided all spoilers on the internet and finaly loaded the disc and without realising it, my ipod played it backwards! However, there were enough hints at who the new guy was but i did get enough excitement out of it before i realised the tracks were jumbled... I especialy liked the part about nurgle coming for Garro, being an avid deathguard fan this was just as exciting! Better than Oath of Moment however the action scenes were better in the first audiobook in my opinion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2724581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Broken Knife Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I cannot decide if Malcador is supposed to be Palpatine or the version of Merlin in John Boorman's Excalibur.... I'd root for the second being more how I imagine him to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2725393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I hate to ruin legion of one for anyone. But in the last section of it I quote Garro saying "You are not Cerberus. Cerberus is a myth...a story. You are Garviel Loken." I had my doubts about it being Loken. When I re-read Galaxy in flames it leaves Loken's fate open, it says Loken couldn't move his legs. Every heartbeat was agony in his lungs as the muscles of his chest ground against splinters of bone... Through a crack in the rubble pinning him to the ground, Loken could see the dark grey sky. He saw streaks of fire dropping through the clouds and closed his eyes as he realised they were the first salvoes of an orbital bombardment...Then darkness fell at last, and Loken felt nothing else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2757527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I have for a fact these following astartes ARE the founders of the Greyknights and the Inquisition Loken Qruze Garrow Varren Smurf Libarian Tarvitz Imohtep These are 7 of the founding grey knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2759319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I have for a fact these following astartes ARE the founders of the Greyknights and the Inquisition Loken Qruze Garrow Varren Smurf Libarian Tarvitz Imohtep These are 7 of the founding grey knights. Well i must say that i agree with you 100%. I am a bit curious about how you can say that it is a fact though. Do you have some inside information? Ill do you 1 better, an name all 8. \\\ YOU HEARD IT HERE 1st/// My list is... Loken -- Luna Wolves Qruze -- Luna Wolves Tarvitz -- Emperors Children Garro -- Death Guard Varren -- World Eaters Mhotep -- Thousand Son Tarrasch -- Iron Warriors Rubio -- Ultramarines How Mhotep survives will be one heck of a story.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2759384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I have for a fact these following astartes ARE the founders of the Greyknights and the Inquisition And you have that for a "fact", do ya? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2759497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 And you have that for a "fact", do ya? Ah, good old A D-B, debunking fan-spec and keeping it real for the rest of us. You sir, are awesome. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2759704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja6fett Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Based on his appearance and actions in the "The Last Remembrancer" I would be beyond surprised if Qurze is involved with the GKs over the Inquisition, he seemed much more Inquisition like than GK in that story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2759869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Who says Qurze or Garro end up being active members,they do not have the Emperors geneseed. They are more likely the gatekeepers who show the true team thier way. Maybe Garro found the teachers and not the students. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/6/#findComment-2759880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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