recon0321 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 if those are the characters for the founding of the I and GK then who the :) is Janus that is mentioned in GK codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2759930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Based on his appearance and actions in the "The Last Remembrancer" I would be beyond surprised if Qurze is involved with the GKs over the Inquisition, he seemed much more Inquisition like than GK in that story. Page 6 Codex Deamonhunters. "The Grey Knights were permanently attached to the Ordo Malleus, becoming the hammer with which these servants of the Emperor would smite the forces of Chaos, and one of its Grand Masters is traditionally a member of the Inner Conclave of the Inquisition." That will be Iacton "The Half Heard" Qruze's job i bet. if those are the characters for the founding of the I and GK then who the :) is Janus that is mentioned in GK codex I think Janus will turn out to be the new name that Garro takes when he becomes the 1st Supreme Grandmaster. Loken will take Cerberus..... again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2759971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Traditionally, Janus was the two-faced god, simultaneously looking to the past and to the future. Hmmmmm, sounds kinda familiar in the 40K-verse. Great Scott! The whole Inquisition is actually Fateweaver's greatest plot against humanity!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Who says Qurze or Garro end up being active members,they do not have the Emperors geneseed.They are more likely the gatekeepers who show the true team thier way. Maybe Garro found the teachers and not the students. Thats the drift of it. From the way its going the 8 will be the Masters of the Grey Knights, leaders. Not actual Grey Knights themselves by gene-seed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 What I'm curious about is how in the emperors stinking breifs did Tarvitz survive? @A-B-D: When I said fact, I meant as in from my mate who heard it from his cousin who works in GW, and said guy's little brother is my mate, and me and the other bloke who I know was saying how he found out, so him and I compared notes. I'm sorry if I got the term 'fact' wrong, if you wish me to I shall. I have a very solid hunch that those named astartes ARE the founders of the GK. @Lord Lone Walker: I've heard rumours that their is at least one survivng loyalist from all the traitor legions who make the GK, It's either our intel is faulty OR GW made a blooper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Who says Qurze or Garro end up being active members,they do not have the Emperors geneseed.They are more likely the gatekeepers who show the true team thier way. Maybe Garro found the teachers and not the students. In my own mind, Garro and the others were the ones who created the Inquisition's remit - to track down Heresy and stamp it out. Of course over Millennia, like all things, that remit is subject to (re)interpretation. I think of 30k Inquisition as being a lot less heavy handed and a lot less suspicious than it's 40k counterpart. Mind you with things the way they end up I can sorta see why the "Modern" day version is the way that it is. If I had to deal with half of the things they do, I'd be jumping at shadows and misunderstanding things too (but I'm a Chaos player at heart, so I would think that :D ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 @Aquilanus: Why fall to chaos brother?I fell into the arms of the blood god and returned. Now I play Blood Angels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 @Aquilanus: Why fall to chaos brother?I fell into the arms of the blood god and returned. Now I play Blood Angels Without derailing the topic at hand - I was originally a Rogue Trader Era Space Wolf and Black Legion player (with a Khornate Genestealer cult army thrown in too :D ) After leaving the game for about 10 or so years, I'm concentrating on my DIY armies. But I digress. I'm still far behind on my HH novel reading (I've gotten as far as "Legion"), so any ideas/opinions are totally my own based on what I've read so far and from what I've read here ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I understand. I never had the chance to play Rogue Trader, I've read most of the HH. I found legion the last one until Thousand suns and Prosero Burns to be interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 @A-B-D: When I said fact, I meant as in from my mate who heard it from his cousin who works in GW, and said guy's little brother is my mate, and me and the other bloke who I know was saying how he found out, so him and I compared notes. I'm sorry if I got the term 'fact' wrong, if you wish me to I shall. I have a very solid hunch that those named astartes ARE the founders of the GK. Kudos for being the first person I've seen on the interwebz to actually break down the basis of their "factual" reporting. Still, that said, it's not really your classic style absolute "fact" is it? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I get that. I was trying to think of the correct word but it wouldn't come to my mind, sorry if I led you on a merry chase, but thats what I've heard from from some reliable sources. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I get that. I was trying to think of the correct word but it wouldn't come to my mind, sorry if I led you on a merry chase, but thats what I've heard from from some reliable sources. That's not a particularly reliable source, dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I know but I can get the source of data and supply the link when I find him. As they say information is currency. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Unless Torg666 is really Alan Merrit in disguise why are you telling the Guy who actually has a hand in the process,who is in the line-up? I Heard that a Rembrancer named Gary kills everyone and replaces them with Repitllians that look just like them but try to make the universe a one world government. Chaos is a great big lie made by the lizards to make everyone fight each other so they do not notice the real puppet masters pulling the strings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 What I'm curious about is how in the emperors stinking breifs did Tarvitz survive? Well now on to the important stuff. In my mind it was the shrouding that saved Tarvitz (and Loken). Even if you will not see my way in this, i say Tarvitz was in much better shape at the end of the War on Istvaan III, then Loken. Just because their were bombs being dropped dose not mean that they hit their mark. Orbital bombardment is not a scalpel. Not only that but these are Astartes we are talking about. They could survive many things that would shock normal people. They survived the Virus attack. On a scale of 1-10, I see the the Virus is a 9 and the orbital strike as a 6. I think when we hear Varren's story we will find out how Tarvitz and the others made it. I think Varren was on Istvaan III at the end. I think he was one the the confused looking World Eaters with the Loyalists at the end. I still feel that Mhotep had the longest odds of survival. It is even hard for me to see a way out.. (but i have one) @A-B-D: When I said fact, I meant as in from my mate who heard it from his cousin who works in GW, and said guy's little brother is my mate, and me and the other bloke who I know was saying how he found out, so him and I compared notes. I'm sorry if I got the term 'fact' wrong, if you wish me to I shall. I have a very solid hunch that those named Astartes ARE the founders of the GK. Thanks for clearing this up. I agree that this dose not settle the matter but i will say that just because this is "hear-say" dose not mean it has ZERO value. Unless its clear that this guy is a Liar or is prone to making random statements i think we should not throw it out of hand. Who the founding members of the Grey Knights is a big secret but it is possible that it is starting to leak out, trickle down to those who don't have Non disclosure agreements. I think we should be thankful that we are getting a peek behind the wall, even if it is third hand. @Lord Lone Walker: I've heard rumours that their is at least one survivng loyalist from all the traitor legions who make the GK, It's either our intel is faulty OR GW made a blooper. I have heard this also but the #'s don't add up. With the inclusion of Rubio and Qruze, the room for a member of the Night Lords, Alpha Legion or the Word Bearers is about gone. I have yet to see even a hint of a Loyalist form these 3. There was a time when i said the same about the Iron Warriors but yeh, that matter has been illuminated. Anyway this could not be true as there are only 8 seats at the table and 9 Traitor Legions (unless the Alpha Legion is not traitor as i am coming to think). I still have a slim hope that their might be a Loyalist Night Lord but that door is about closed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Unless Torg666 is really Alan Merrit in disguise why are you telling the Guy who actually has a hand in the process,who is in the line-up?I Heard that a Rembrancer named Gary kills everyone and replaces them with Repitllians that look just like them but try to make the universe a one world government. Chaos is a great big lie made by the lizards to make everyone fight each other so they do not notice the real puppet masters pulling the strings. Gary's other name wouldn't happen to be "Sue" and be brother to Mary would he....? B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I get that. I was trying to think of the correct word but it wouldn't come to my mind, sorry if I led you on a merry chase, but thats what I've heard from from some reliable sources. This reliable source wasn't the Grey Knights codex was it? Unless Torg666 is really Alan Merrit in disguise why are you telling the Guy who actually has a hand in the process,who is in the line-up?I Heard that a Rembrancer named Gary kills everyone and replaces them with Repitllians that look just like them but try to make the universe a one world government. Chaos is a great big lie made by the lizards to make everyone fight each other so they do not notice the real puppet masters pulling the strings. Gary's other name wouldn't happen to be "Sue" and be brother to Mary would he....? :P Not quite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Not quite. I got the reference :( but the amount of sci-fi I see nowadays with Gary and Mary Sue's in them verges on the ridiculous :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Not quite. I got the reference :( but the amount of sci-fi I see nowadays with Gary and Mary Sue's in them verges on the ridiculous :P True but the label Mary Sue is thrown about rather frequently these days. I've heard it accused of just about every damn warhammer character from the Emperor to Uriel Ventress, both of which ended up being repeatedly pulverised by chaos and had bionics shoved into them to survive. Wait... I Heard that a Rembrancer named Gary Alpharius kills everyone and replaces them with Repitllians Alpharius that look just like them but try to make the universe a one world government.Chaos is a great big lie made by the lizards Alpharius to make everyone fight each other so they do not notice the real puppet masters pulling the strings. Huh. Suddenly that makes a lot of sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I Heard that a Rembrancer named Gary Alpharius kills everyone and replaces them with Repitllians Alpharius that look just like them but try to make the universe a one world government.Chaos is a great big lie made by the lizards Alpharius to make everyone fight each other so they do not notice the real puppet masters Alpharius pulling the strings. Huh. Suddenly that makes a lot of sense. Missed one :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I Heard that a Rembrancer named Gary Alpharius kills everyone and replaces them with Repitllians Alpharius that look just like them but try to make the universe a one world government.Chaos is a great big lie made by the lizards Alpharius to make everyone fight each other so they do not notice the real puppet masters Eldrad Ulthran pulling the strings. Huh. Suddenly that makes a lot of sense. Missed one :( Fixed :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2760904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 If two of the remaining three don't turn out to be a Thousand Son and an Alpha Legionnaire I'll show my whatsits in Burton's window. If one of the remaining three turns out to be Tarvitz I'll spit feathers. One unlikely-survival-of-popular-hero-from-the-first-four-books-'killed'-in-the-same-place-by-the-same-people-at-the-same-time is enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2761479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 To be honest, it would not shock me to find out that Alpha legion are still loyal, and that Ulthran is pulling all the strings in this merry dance. I think that these are the most likely options. My source IS not the Greyknight Codex, which I have a few skellingtons to pick out, yes I did say that and I mean it. I have bones to pick with all the codexes but GK takes the cake. I peiced together from the HH books, I've read that the above astartes were to be founding fathers of the inquisition. I didn't believe it, until said source illuminated me about it. Speaking of which I shall be chatting to him later today hopefully. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2761528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 What a topic, has taken me 40 mins to read all the way through. Qurze in AoD has his armour all greyed out suggesting that he is a founding member and one of the eight. Janus is mentioned in old fluff, rubio, varren and loken in new fluff. That leaves 2 places to be filled. what happened to the SoS that was with Garro and Qurze, she was also spoken to by Malcador, do we assume she went into the inquisition or not? from memory the big I was founded by 4 lords........not ladies!?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2761529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 12 founders of the imperium. 8 astarted 4mortals I THINK Known Astartes Loken Qruze Varren Garro Mmhotep Rubien Mortals Malcador Possible candidates Sister of silence with Garro and Qruze Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/7/#findComment-2761538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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