Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure in old fluff on the inquisition it was founded by four lords, while the GK were founded by eight astartes. We have 6or7 of the astartes by name (if we use Janus in the old fluff) but none of the mortals or lords. The fact that it mentions lords rather than lords and ladies suggests that the SOS wasnt one of them.......so what happened to her? also Malcador wouldnt have gone from being de-facto lord of it all, to just lord of the inquisition, so i dont think he was one of the four either, he would have stayed as Regent of Terra surely! so we still need 2 astartes and all four mortals............any ideas? after the emproeres death would any of the custodes have moved across? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2761629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson Cartel Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure in old fluff on the inquisition it was founded by four lords, while the GK were founded by eight astartes. We have 6or7 of the astartes by name (if we use Janus in the old fluff) but none of the mortals or lords. The fact that it mentions lords rather than lords and ladies suggests that the SOS wasnt one of them.......so what happened to her? also Malcador wouldnt have gone from being de-facto lord of it all, to just lord of the inquisition, so i dont think he was one of the four either, he would have stayed as Regent of Terra surely! so we still need 2 astartes and all four mortals............any ideas? after the emproeres death would any of the custodes have moved across? ^ For someone who hasn't been able to hear either audio book, who are/what are the names of these Astartes, and what legions do they come from? I've been building models around my favorite HH characters that have been brought to life (so to speak) in the books. Would really like to keep expanding the team. -CC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2761668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Crimson Cartel, tbh I havent heard them myself, but these are the ones that have been mentioned on this board: Known Astartes: Loken (Lunar wolves) Qruze (Lunar Wolves Varren (World Eaters) Garro (Death Guard) Mmhotep (1k sons) Rubien (Ultramarines) The seventh is from old fluff on the inquisition and is called Janus, no idea of origin or legion, and he may well be retconned! if so I imagine 7/8 will have a more loyalist edge to them maybe Blood angel or IF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2761685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Ever since Legion I have no doubt that at least half of the Alphas are loyal to the Emperor just not the Imperium. The reason I say half is that in the past they show Alphas really Chaosy,that could be that One twin stays true and the Other seduced by the Dark sid..I mean Chaos. Or..just by thier very nature the Alphas aways operated in Teams/Warbands,I just do not see them deploying as a whole Legion at once. It would be perfectly reasonable that only a few thousand fall to Chaos during thier time undercover and both the Twin are still Loyal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2761751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 That sounds like the most logical explanation about the Alpha Legion I've heard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2761803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Qurze in AoD has his armour all greyed out suggesting that he is a founding member and one of the eight. Janus is mentioned in old fluff, rubio, varren and loken in new fluff. That leaves 2 places to be filled. I have not found any mention of a Janus in any old fluff. Would you or anyone be so kind as to give your source for this? As i understand it the first mention of Janus was in the NEW GK Codex. I think Janus is Garro's new name once he becomes a True GK. I think all the 8 will take on new names that are rooted in mythology. Janus, Cerberus,..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2761996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkle Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I'm guessing Janus is Loken seeing as he has two "faces" , Cerberus and Garviel Loken. Like the two faced god "Janus" Though at the same time it would be weird to have a non psyker be the leader of the allpsyker chapter. Maybe Malcador will give him some powers in the next GK 'dex ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 ...But then he'd have three... As for the original Inquisitors, we do have two of their names, Promeus and Moriana, the two original Resurrectionists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkle Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I didn't mean as in names more as in personalities. One is rational, dutiful and an all around stand up marine while the other is crazy, wrathful and just more of an all around ba. Obviously with many more nuances to each personality Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Janus could well be an already known chracter with a new name, sounds plausible, and kind of fits with the way we believe GK's work. so that leaves us with 6, any ideas for the last two? I am guessing a loyalist for one, poss an IF, they always seemed to give men up to the deathwach, so why not the GK as well. Maybe a primarch, or is that to "out there"? Also what happened to the SOS, is she mentioned in the audiobooks at all? i would love to know her role, as in FotE she seems just as key to Malcadors plans as the two astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Lord Lorne i think is right. Guys dont forget wasnt it so that Grey Knights didnt use their normal name...they get a name from the chapter...so it could be that the first Chaptermaster must choose a new name for him...so it could also be Garro that was the first Grandmaster because of the Name changes they need to do... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Reading another post, it seems there is a voice for Avida (spelling?!) from rebirth to be a candidate! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Reading another post, it seems there is a voice for Avida (spelling?!) from rebirth to be a candidate! Arvida............. Brother-Sergeant Revuel Arvida (Corvidae, master of the shifting patterns of the future) Damm. You might have a point there. I would have to say he has a better chance then Mhotep. Just when i was starting to get comfortable with my list you have to do this... That thought is going to piss off the people who think he founds the Blood Ravens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I love being the voice of controversy! it makes sense, he is left alone, doesnt know where is loyalties lie, where his legion is, and hates at least one of the traiter legions! If there is to be only one 1kson within the eight, then I bet its him. plus he has the skills to train new GK's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I love being the voice of controversy! it makes sense, he is left alone, doesnt know where is loyalties lie, where his legion is, and hates at least one of the traiter legions! If there is to be only one 1kson within the eight, then I bet its him. plus he has the skills to train new GK's You know, If i were Garro and i was looking for a stray 1kson, i guess i would have to check out Prospero. I mean he went to Istvaan III. and Calth, Right?. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torgaddon666 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Mhotep founder of the Blood Ravens? Hhhhmmmm plausible. Most definately. I like the sound of it, DOW Ascension Ahriam mentions that the 1ksons wore the colour armour the Blood Ravens wear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Gotta go with Arvida for a GK founder, rather than Mhotep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 It does fit, better than the blood ravens thing, that seems just too easy! who are the other two founder Grey Knights then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingo Pech Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Crimson Cartel, tbh I havent heard them myself, but these are the ones that have been mentioned on this board: Mmhotep (1k sons) Mhotep? If I remember correctly, he was KIA in "Battle For The Abyss", right? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2762706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Was it definate, havent read the book for quite a while? I just think Arvida makes more sense slotting into the GK set up than he does starting up a new chapter at the next founding. It follows the pattern of Qurze seeking out individuals like he has done with varren and rubio. Who started the BR's........i dont know, but I just dont think it was Arvida as lots of people are suggesting, seems to neat and tidy, and that doesnt rub with everything else the HH series has sprung on us Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2763429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Gotta go with Arvida for a GK founder, rather than Mhotep. Ok, i think I can agree with you. As much as i would like to See Mhotep live. If i was going to put money on it i would go with Arvida Loken -- Luna Wolves Qruze -- Luna Wolves Tarvitz -- Emperors Children Garro -- Death Guard Varren -- World Eaters Arvida -- Thousand Son Tarrasch -- Iron Warriors Rubio -- Ultramarines Now i guess we just need to see how Tarvitz survives, /If/ he dose. I'm feeling Real good about the other 7. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2765776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 So this force consists practically only of formers members of the Traitor Legions, what about other Loyalist Legion members? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2765788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Malika, good point, but maybe thats a good thing, they have seen their brothers and their primarchs turn, but have stayed the course. they can accept and deal with heresy better, and hence are better at tackling it. You have the Ultra and poss another loyalist legion member (I reckon the IF's will have someone in there) to provide a balance maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2768822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODM Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I think Arvida's going to be the Blood Raven's founder, much as he would fit in here. He's a member of the Corvidae (and his shoulder pad is described again in case we didn't know it had a raven on it), he has vowed to find and unite the rest of the t-sons out there and search for the truth, and he utters the phrase Knowledge is Power, The Blood Ravens' motto. Combine that with the hints in A Thousand Sons, and I think his role is elsewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2770971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 ODM it does seem to fit better, but there is a thread with A-D-B (not sure which one) where he goes out of his way to say that dropped hints like this dont neccessarily mean what everyone wants them too. I just like the idea of Garro scouring the galaxy for independant marines still loyal to the Big E for his band of eight. Arvida would fit that scenario. just my thoughts. hope they tie up his role either way as either result seems cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192852-garro-oath-of-moment-garro-legion-of-one/page/8/#findComment-2771444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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