Psykic hoods and stacking

[Brother Castus]

Do the psykic hoods in the Grey Knights Codex stack with each other? For example, if an opponent used a psykic power, and I had three hoods on allied Grey Knight models, does the opponent have to roll the "save" three times?

[Brother Chaplain Ryld]

I would say not, based on the description in the DH codex.

 

If the opposing models score is equal or higher, it may use it's psychic power as normal.

 

While it doesn't say anything about multiple hoods, usually in GW gaming systems a spell or power may only have a dispel attempted once. Note, I realise this is based on my own interpretation of the rules. I cannot back it up with an actual quote from a official source.

[DinoDoc]

Do the psykic hoods in the Grey Knights Codex stack with each other? For example, if an opponent used a psykic power, and I had three hoods on allied Grey Knight models, does the opponent have to roll the "save" three times?

Obviously not. What would make you think it does?

[dwtaylor]

I don't think it specifies either way. The INAT FAQ says you can't and I think that's reasonable based on Ryld's arguments.

 

If you really wanted to push that psychic hoods stack, I think you have a decent claim going RAW. That said, I think it might not sit super well with some players, so you might want to be careful.

[kiwitexansfan]

Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure it says you can elect to have one model attempt to block the power in the rulebook and or/codex.

 

So yeah, NO.

[dwtaylor]

Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure it says you can elect to have one model attempt to block the power in the rulebook and or/codex.

 

So yeah, NO.

 

I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anything of the sort, and I've got the codex in front of me. The Grey Knight special rule "The Aegis" is an either/or with psychic hoods. The entry for psychic hood entry in the armoury isn't clear.

[pueriexdeus]

I like to play with Librarians quite a bit. In my experience I have been told by multiple people that only one attempt at stopping a psychic power is possible, regardless of how many hoods are on the table.

 

Makes sense to me, in an absolute timing perspective it would be improbable to tell the bad guy, " yo, hold it right there, Librarian #2 is now going to try to stop you."

 

To me the attempt to take control of the situation is simultaneous, the psychic power is either stopped, or it's not.

[GodwynDi]

Ooooh, maybe roll a die per hood and take the highest? I know its not at all anywhere near the rules, but it sounds fun. It does make sense that they would all try and nullify a power after all.

[Inquisitor Fox]

A similar situation exists with Penitents from a WH retinue.. it's either them OR the psychic hood as per page 16 of the WH Codex. It seems to me then that the one roll per power is the correct interpretation. Where 3 hoods would benefit is the opponent would have to kill 3 models to be able to reliably use their psychic powers again.

[dwtaylor]

A similar situation exists with Penitents from a WH retinue.. it's either them OR the psychic hood as per page 16 of the WH Codex. It seems to me then that the one roll per power is the correct interpretation. Where 3 hoods would benefit is the opponent would have to kill 3 models to be able to reliably use their psychic powers again.

 

But the either/or is only for an Inquisitor equipped with a psychic hood, and that has a penitent in their retinue. It doesn't say anything about psychic defenses outside that particular unit such as other psychic hoods, the Adeptus Sororitas 'Shield of Faith', or the Demonhunter wargear item the Unguents of Warding. (Of course the last two would only come into effect if the power hit a unit of Sisters or a properly equipped Demonhunter Inquisitor in addition to the Witch Hunter with the penitent)

[angelspast]

So how about a space marine librarian, and an allied inquisitor with a psychic hood...?

[the jeske]

thats nothing . think about a GK grand master [old psychic hood with the roll for both players] and the SW rune stuff[psychic power doesnt work if you roll+4 or +3 if njal is there] . two different named gear , with two different set of rules that work in a different way.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

There is a bit of a loophole here because of our older codex. Here are a few quotes to illustrate the point.

 

For psychic hoods:

 

"Declare that you'll use the psychic hood after an enemy model within 24" of the Librarian passes a Psychic test. If there are several Librarians in range, only one can attempt to nullify the psychic power - you must choose which....The psychic hood can be used once each time an enemy model uses a psychic power within range."

 

pg. 56, Codex Space Marines

 

For rune weapons:

 

"Furthermore, whenever an enemy model succeeds on a Psychic test within 24" of the bearer, roll a dice - on the roll of a 4+ that power is nullified"

 

pg. 36, Codex Space Wolves

 

Dark Angels are a little different:

 

"Declare that you'll use the psychic hood after an opponent successfully made a Psychic test, but before they have used the power.

 

Each player then rolls a D6 and adds their models Leadership...the psychic hood can be used each time an enemy model uses a psychic power. Only one Librarian may use his psychic hood against a single use of a psychic power."

 

pg. 38, Codex Dark Angels

 

 

Now, what about the Inquisition? Both entires are identical, so I'll just post the DH entry (doesn't matter if you hunt witches or daemons, works the same)

 

"Declare that you'll use the Psychic hood after an opponent has successfully made a Psychic test, but before they have used the power. Each player then rolls a D6 and adds their model's Leadership value to the score. If the Daemonhunter beats the oppoising models score, then the power is nullified and may not be used that turn....The psychic hood can be used each time an enemy model uses a psychic power"

 

pg. 18, Codex Daemonhunters

 

 

So, what does this all mean? The following:

 

- Ultramarine Libbies have a range of 24" and only one can attempt to cock-block an enemy psyker

- Rune Priests have a range of 24" and the FAQ clarified that only one Rune weapon can be used at a time (so they're essentially the same as a psychic hood, just they work on a 4+)

- Dark Angels work the same as Ultramarines, except they have unlimited range

- Daemonhunter and Witchhunter models with psychic hoods have unlimited range, and there is no restriction on multiple attempts. Thus, you can try with another model (psychic hood/rune weapon), and still have another go with the Inquisitional psychic hood. The restrictions listed in the other codicies do not apply to an Inquisitor/GK Grandmaster.

 

So, you can stack Inquisitional psychic hoods with Marine psychic hoods.

[Verythrax Draconis]

That's true, it makes sense. If you have 3 different models, that use 3 different set of rules, all of them are allowed to have their chance against the enemy power.

 

So, you can't stack psychic hoods of the same rule, but you can stack hoods, as far you get one from each rule presented (so DH and WH hoods wouldn't be stackable one to another)

[GTang]

You can also stack WH or DH psychic hoods - can have as many as 4 in the same force if you have 3 inquisitors and 1 inquisitor lord. Although ones that go at something other than LD10 usually aren't worth it. This is so much unlike the Space Marines that pretty much all the SM players will hate it and deny it.