Power Fist Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Is anyone using Bjorn regularly? I like the -idea- of him (sort of a souped-up Ironclad, when you think about it), but I am having trouble deciding what else to add in support. I am tempted to find a way to take two more regular Dreads, and then mount up some squads in Rhinos. Maybe get a Land Raider and some WGTs, if there's room. I think that'd be more effective than pod squads, but I'm waffling... Anyone taking him with success? What are you using? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSpike Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I haven't played the list yet, but have a 1500pt WolfWing waiting to be painted: Logan 3x5 TDA Wolf Guard Land Raider 2x Dreads (or Bjorn). I'd really like to field him, see how much carnage he can cause! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I was thinking of taking him with 3 other dreads. Someone mentioned that it may be a good idea to take him with an iron priest with thralls who could repair him, making him even more survivable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I have a 2k list that I am wanting to try out, but due to the blizzard I haven't been out of the house to play anything. It runs bjorn, rp, 2 normal dreads, 2 vindis and 3 squads of GH's. Hopefully i'll get to try it out this weekend or next week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 i made a list with him and my standard 3 GH squads, and a BC squad and 2 LF squads, and a LR and some wolf Scouts. i haven't tried it yet, but it looks promising. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 He looks hugely expensive, and when coupled with the obligatory RP it comes to just over 400pts. In 1500 lists that's just too much. But in 2000pts he is entirely viable if you treat him as just another IC who happens to be REALLY good at shooting. It is also quite frightening how survivable he is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Do you want the actual Bjorn or is something close good enough? You can run 2 venerables + RP casting storm caller to get 2 mini-Bjorns (12 armor instead of 13 but SC gives you ward of the primarch invulnerable save...still have a ton of survivability) -Add the iron priest + 3 servitor thralls (only 80pts) and you REALLY add to the survivability of the ven dreads (venerable lets you reroll damage results so they have to destroy you twice using a 5/6 followed by another 5/6 which is only 16.6% chance. If they destroy a weapon you ACCEPT it and let IP repair it with a 3+ roll next turn. That way you don't risk a destroyed result after rerolling to avoid weapon loss). -Put the RP in a razorback to give him armored protection and extend the range of storm caller -Put 5 GH with the RP and your mobile force can also claim objectives Total strike force (655) 2 venerable + EA (don't forget weapon upgrade costs if you don't want basic loadout) (360) RP (100) 5xGH + Razorback (115) IP + 3 servitors (80) To further maximize the IP repair you probably want some vehicles as well (vindicators etc.) That was the general idea when I made this concept army: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=192376 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I been useing Bjorn for the pass 20 games. My list overall is tank heavy with Razorback, Rhinos & fellow Dreadnought, Grey Hunter as the troops & a Rune Priest, then there a whole heap of wargear/upgread like Mark of the Wulfen, wolf tooth on dreadnoughts, etc... Overall I found Bjorn dose great, he help counter attack any unit tie up with my Grey Hunter. I say counter attack because I never been able to roll higher than a 2 for any Difficult terrain in all 20 games. I like to have my army as a whole being able to work with each other & try to cover weakness other unit may have. I belive Bjorn only been destroyed in four games now, other than that he stood his ground, slaughter Tzeentch Daemon Prince with out a scratch, Lysander, Elrad, some of the new Nids monster. Only other result that came to mind have been can't shot next turn (Stun?). Other than that I usely make my Inv save when needed or because of his armour 13, it dose help a fair bit (5 to glance with a power fist). Yesterday fought a game vs Orks where Bjorn mange to hold off a unit of Storm boyz with there Specil ch who has power kalws for feet. I really enjoy useing Bjorn in my overall army. Though I do wish to roll higher for my DT test, his Plasma cannon dose make up for this. Even then should he be destroyed it is alway another object for you. I could alway had use the pts for Bjorn to buy Land Speeder in my force. But I like useing Bjorn in games & to be honsty would not trade him/take him out of my mech/tourny list, unless specil ch are not allowed of course. IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archnomad Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Temptation to run Bjorn with 2 other dreads, an iron priest and a rune priest rising.... Oh what fun that could be, especially if I made them both venerable as well. ~{Archy}~ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 i run bjorn with njal in 2000 pts to help secure 1st turn which helps njals special abilities out. ive only played 2 games with that list but won both and bjorn didn't die in either one. hes also the only dreadnought in the list. he soaks up a lot of firepower Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 i run bjorn with njal in 2000 pts to help secure 1st turn which helps njals special abilities out. ive only played 2 games with that list but won both and bjorn didn't die in either one. hes also the only dreadnought in the list. he soaks up a lot of firepower Very interesting. Can you post that list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 The only real problem I've had with Bjorn is "Crew stunned" results, as he can't fire. Can't shoot can be lived with but not being able to move him into assault range can be an issue sometimes for me. Keeping him pure shooting may be a fix for this but it's not always easy to keep him out of CC. As far as lists go, my 1500 with Bjorn isn't hot but it's not meant to be, it's meant to be fun. Otherwise I like Bjorn, even if he's 50% likely to take a pen hit from a railgun's strength, after they hit to the front. Not great but still can keep him from going up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceWolf13C Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 sure thing. i'll give you what ive tried and the new list i'm gonna try. the 2 games i played was against dark eldar and orcs if you wonder. Njal RTDA Bjorn PC Grey Hunters * 10 2 flamer Wolf Std MOTW PW Rhino Grey Hunters * 10 2 plasma Wolf Std MOTW Grey Hunters * 10 2 flamer Wolf Std MOTW PW Rhino Grey Hunters * 10 2 plasma Wolf Std MOTW Long Fangs * 6 3 ML 2 LC Long Fangs * 6 3 ML 2 LC Thunderwolf Cavalry * 5 1 FB 1 boltgun 1 regular + MB 1 PW 1 Boltgun + MB i believe thats my list, i don't have the list in front of me right now. the TWC did great against the nob bikers but they never did a thing during the dark eldar game so for my next variation i taking them out and going armoured with some wolf guard to try that out. i'll post that list up in a bit. BTW can someone tell me if stormcaller covers vehicles because it says squads and i'm not sure if vehicles count as a squad. i don't think they do but if i can cover my vehicles that would be sick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 BTW can someone tell me if stormcaller covers vehicles because it says squads and i'm not sure if vehicles count as a squad. i don't think they do but if i can cover my vehicles that would be sick. Thanks for the list. The answer to your question is "yes" the errata on the GW site changed the wording of the power to "units" instead of "squads." Which is good and bad. Good in the fact that it covers vehicles, but bad in the fact that an entire squad is not all covered just because "most" of the units are within 6", it's now on a unit by unit basis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power Fist Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 Temptation to run Bjorn with 2 other dreads, an iron priest and a rune priest rising.... Oh what fun that could be, especially if I made them both venerable as well. This is the road my thinking is leading me down as well... I would run Bjorn/Njal, but honestly, I have a strict one-special-character-per-army rule that I just can't bring myself to violate. But let's see: Bjorn, 2 Ven Dreads, a Rune Priest, an Iron Priest with 3 Servitors, a bunch of Grey Hunters in Rhinos... Hm... *runs off to work points* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBasser Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I use Bjorn in all my lists. He's a major pain to my opponents. I can usually make his Invlun. Save. So now my one friend won't even shoot at him until it's getting close to the end of the game. I take him with the Plasma Cannon. Then I run with 2 Rune Priests. They are more for cover-fire, but are very good at what they do. I run 1850 list. Bjorn, Rune Priest with Master of Runes and Storm Caller/Living Lighting, Rune Priest with Chooser of the Slain, Living Lightning/any other power. Rune Priests are each with a 6 Man Grey Hunter pack in a Rhino. The Pack has a Melta gun. 2 full packs of Grey Hunters with 2 Meltas in each pack both in Rhinos. 2 Dreadnoughts, both with 2 twin-linked autocannons. 2 Landspeeder Typhoons with Multi-Meltas, 2 Predators with Autocannons and Heavy Bolter Sponsors. I charge Bjorn with with my two full packs of Grey Hunters in rhinos. My two Rune Priests sit back on objectives and use Living Lightning as cover fire. If you haven't yet, try a game with Rifleman Dreadnoughts. Any transport you go up against will be scared of just one of these guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2291993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archnomad Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Perhaps something (term I shall try and coin) like a Runespear (there! See? I told you I would do it!). Something along the lines of say, Rune Priest with stormcaller Bjorn the Fel Handed Vendread with some dakka weapon and a CCW/HF Vendread with another dakka weapon and a CCW/HF Iron Priest and his tech servitors Units of 5 GHs in razorbacks with Las/plas This would deploy the three dreads in B2B, with the IP behind them, and a Rune Priest in a razor (with GHs) Behind that. This would trundle (probably unstoppably...) along the table until it reached CC. Where it would most likely just devastate everyone. Could be great fun. Alternatively you could put the GHs and RP in a standard LR (for the 2 lascannon shots) and to make that cover save you get pretty much untouchable. Thoughts on this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2292101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Perhaps something (term I shall try and coin) like a Runespear (there! See? I told you I would do it!). Something along the lines of say, Rune Priest with stormcaller Bjorn the Fel Handed Vendread with some dakka weapon and a CCW/HF Vendread with another dakka weapon and a CCW/HF Iron Priest and his tech servitors Units of 5 GHs in razorbacks with Las/plas This would deploy the three dreads in B2B, with the IP behind them, and a Rune Priest in a razor (with GHs) Behind that. This would trundle (probably unstoppably...) along the table until it reached CC. Where it would most likely just devastate everyone. Could be great fun. Alternatively you could put the GHs and RP in a standard LR (for the 2 lascannon shots) and to make that cover save you get pretty much untouchable. Thoughts on this? Conceptually it is awesome. In practice this Runespear will take a major portion of your points in most games. Almost 1k as is without your LR option Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2292127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archnomad Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Ok, just been playing about. In 1500 I managed to fit; Bjorn, 2 Vendreads, Iron Priest, a RP with Stormcaller, 2x5 GHs w/ Flamer in Lasplas Razor, 1x5 GH w/Flamer and a LR. Only 15 troop models, but 5 of them are in a LR, in a list with quite survivable armour as is. Oh, and 3 BS5 TL lascannons, 2 BS4 TL Lascannons, and 2 BS4 Lascannons. Hur hur hur. Thoughts on that? I'd probably want to play this list at 2k (add in two more GH squads and a pair of Typhoons, personally) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2292153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphalupine Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can run Njal and Bjorn together in the same list due to the *Leaders of the Pack rule for HQ's. Bjorn and Njal have the same saga and so wouldn't be allowed together in the same list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2292176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 page 64 of Codex Space wolves, second paragraph is where you need to look. SC are so special that they override the rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2292182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Here's what I do... I take Bjorn... and throw him away. No EA makes him worthless. 250 Pts when 1 autocannon can make him stand still and do nothing the entire game. - Yes I exagerate slightly but a Ven Dread W/ EA is better than Bjorn. I'd much rather have a land raider crusader than Bjorn. Would even save me points... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2292196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Bjorn is the only SC from the current 'dex that i have actually thought about running regularly. to me i see most of the SC as being replaceable by other things in their FOC spot. so a HQ dred plays to my liking more. i have run Njal a couple times and he died like he was a guardsman, call it poor rolling on my part if you want but he never did anything special to me. plus i like to use my HQs in cc so psykers don't really work in my book. and the other HQ SC we have just don't seem that worth it to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2292201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power Fist Posted February 20, 2010 Author Share Posted February 20, 2010 Oh, I run Logan in every game, and yes, he is most certainly worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2292268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eesoteric Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I haven't played the list yet, but have a 1500pt WolfWing waiting to be painted: Logan 3x5 TDA Wolf Guard Land Raider 2x Dreads (or Bjorn). I'd really like to field him, see how much carnage he can cause! OT: I like this idea, I'm 5 termies and one dread away from this build, you should post your results! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/192915-building-around-bjorn/#findComment-2296351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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