Tweeking your army per game you play

[breng77]

That is where I would disagree. If you are playing someone you already know then it is ok as long as that person is ok with it. However, if I showed up at a gaming shop and you were there and we decided to play, I would feel cheated if you pulled out a list that was specifically designed to deal with my list. I feel that swapping lists before playing is the fair way to go. If it just so happens that I end up with a poor match up that is fine. I just don't like "oh you're playing 3 land raiders?" pulls out list "here is my list with 85 melta guns..." Now obviously I am exaggerating but, the way I look at it is unless you are playing in a set group it is unfair to tailor your list. To steal the M:TG reference, I would look at it as side boarding prior to playing a match... "Oh, you're playing X, let me get all my cards that kill X"

[HERO]

Tweaking because your list is seriously weak or handicapped is alright.. but tailoring to beat your opponents is just sad.. and very unwolfy!

[wiplash]

in my opinion it most certainly shouldn't be frowned upon :rolleyes:

having one list or a template which you tweak every now and again is best

 

people have pointed out that you never know who you are facing fluff wise so you have one force etc. which isn't really true if you think about it the strike force will be pre-planned by the wolf lord sometimes wolf guard will take a crusader, sometimes they will have termie armour sometimes they will ride bikes etc. they are still there but they own and use many sorts of wargear.

 

on the otherhand because you dont know what army you are facing then neither does your oponent. so why should they care if you have changed your armylist? if by the assumption that you both have all-comer lists and you switch from one all-comer list to another then the only reason your oponent would be annoyed is that he heas planned what he would do to your old army list

real tactics come under pressure!

 

(does that make sense, it does to me but i have likely worded it terribly :P)

[CODE40K]

I think tweaking has got to happen otherwise you will take kit you simply dont need for example i created a list for a game against nids on friday night. I copied and pasted most of the units from previous lists i had created however, i failed to realise i had 3 sets of melta bombs in the list! These arent much use against nids. I think its important to try out different variations and the GW codexes lend themselves to this.

 

DOC

[Grey Mage]

My friend and I were having a discussion yesterday about "tweeking" armies depending on who you play. He was suggesting tweeking is "frowned upon". B)

 

Just to set the scene - there are 3 of us who play each other. Me (wolves), the Deathwing and the Tyranids.

 

I play basically the same army, but I tend to change a few things. So I go for Vindicator against Nids and Pred against Deathwing. I have a few more lascannons vs deathwing - a few more ML against Nids. We are still pretty new to the game (probably played about 10 games each and play roughly once per month).

 

I know some of you recommend playing the same army against all comers .... to get used to that style of play. I can see the logic for this, and I know what army makeup I would choose if I had to do this. However, it seems to me that as we only play each other, it's more fun to have a few tweeks and changes.

 

Anyway .... I just was interested to see what the general opinion out there was.

 

H.D.L.

I dont do it. I prefer the challenge of a game where my opponent might have been just about anything. Most of my playgroup has 2 armies, some have 3 even, so when I make arrangements to play against a guy I dont even know what Ill be facing in 40k.

 

Its good that way, keeps people from taking the max things to kill a particular race with no real need to hit other things. For instance- what numb-skull loads up on meltaguns when fighting tyranids? No one I know.

 

Then of course theirs tournaments, where youll have several opponents- and just one list. Tricking your list for a particular opponent will put you at a huge tactical disadvantage when you find you simple are not allowed to do that.

 

That being said, theres nothing wrong with trying new things out, developing tactics against particular races, etc.

[Hfran Morkai]

For instance- what numb-skull loads up on meltaguns when fighting tyranids? No one I know.

 

I'll admit I used to be one of these guys, mainly because it was the only special available in the Wolf boxes and I was too stingy to buy regular marine boxes. Now at 1500 points and above I take a mix of melta and plasma though I might swap out the plasma for some flamers giving me horde killing goodness, which with 6 man packs shouldn't be underestimated...

[Grey Mage]

Hey, people without options arent included, no offense meant to anyone really, its just not a good choice in my opinion.

[Hfran Morkai]

Hey, people without options arent included, no offense meant to anyone really, its just not a good choice in my opinion.

 

Not offended. B) It's good to have a variety of kit to carry out various tasks, hence why I've recently added lascannons to my Long Fang packs, missile launchers are nice and cheap but struggle against battle tanks, the lascannon adds more punch.

 

 

But I have always liked melta-goodness...a bit of an addict here.

[whiteraven17708]

I say if you are aware of what army he is bringing then customizing to that army is ok so long as he is aware of the army you are bringing so he can do the same but if you say you are bringing tau and show up with nids? i say that is cheap

[Hear da Lamentation]

I say if you are aware of what army he is bringing then customizing to that army is ok so long as he is aware of the army you are bringing so he can do the same but if you say you are bringing tau and show up with nids? i say that is cheap

 

I'd aree with that. Our house rules are that you must state what army you are playing when we organise a match (otherwise people with more armies have a distinct advantage. After that, you are allowed to bring whatever build you like. As I say, my friend thinks it best to use an "allcomer" army - although he changes his build by trying things out more often than anyone else. I keep the basic same army, but swop some equipment here and there. My opponent knows who I am playing and has the option to tweek his equipment and/or build. I may take less meltas and more ML against Nids ... he may choose more armour piercing stuff against me. It's all fair (imo).

 

I understand that if you are going for competitions you want to practice your "all comer" lists ... but I won't be playing any tournies - just my mates. A bit of variety is therefore nice.

 

A ncie mix of views from the Wolves though.

 

I think to summarise, it looks like probably more than 50% of posts don't "tweek" but most don't "frown on it".