Guganation Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Just played our youngest wolf lord for the first time. Came charging out of a LR leading 7 WG termies, and absolutely carried the battle. My question is. At what point is a named character like Ragnar a great choice? 2000 pts? is he still worth it at 1500? Anyone use him regularly? Cuz this was a first for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I have only ever used him twice...once against orks, once against necrons (1500 and 2000 points respecitivley) both times in a LR...can't remember if he was with Wolf Guard or grey hunters..... (if he gets 5/6 on D3, 10 grey hunters, with 5 attacks each will be pretty nasty :D) He did better in the 1500 point game if i remember correctley, mainly because the necrons pinned him down near the back, so he was mainly involved with 2 combats (2 large necrons squads, and a lord..... with res orb....) I would like to use him more, just not sure how really.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2299716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffydd Fireclaw Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I use him regularly in 1500 point games, and I've found that although pricey, he does exceddingly well against pretty much anything (including vehicles due to meltabombs). Most armies don't have much that can easily counter a WS6 S5 (6 on the charge) T4 W3 I5 (6 on the charge) model that has exponential attack increase, plus a bodyguard (normally 5 x TDA Wolf Guard with frost blades, so S6 I5 on charge) in a 1500 pt list. 2000 points tends to see him die more, as people buy units that just aren't feasible in 1500, but he still rocks no matter what size game you use him. So feel free to use him in any size game (I have used him in a 750 point game once, somehow he survived the sheer amount of firepower coming his was with full wounds, then went through 3 squads single handedly! Got to love guardsmen's squishyness :D ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2299736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I use him even in 1000 point battles with 14 Blood Claws and a WC WG in a LRC, they just come sweeping out of it and sweep throught the enemy flank, barrelling their way through, at one, they killed 30 Marines in two turns, as the enemy had a gunline, and I was able to engage all units at once. Epic win :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2299749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 I take Ragnar 2 ways: 5 Termies; mixed with different setups or.. 10x Grey Hunters w/ WGT with Chain Fist. 225 vs 228 points worth. Always in a LRC. Just don't try to make the unit TOO expensive.. or you'll find yourself putting all your eggs in 1 basket. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2299980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saphius Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 I take Ragnar 2 ways:5 Termies; mixed with different setups or.. 10x Grey Hunters w/ WGT with Chain Fist. 225 vs 228 points worth. Always in a LRC. Just don't try to make the unit TOO expensive.. or you'll find yourself putting all your eggs in 1 basket. - Don't give the WG TDA - You can't run things down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2300459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Andrew Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 I include ragnar in 1750 and above games. i only run 3 TDA wolf guard, 2 w/wolf claws and 1 TH/SS. Due to the furious charge and the extra d3 attacks, even the small number can wiped out entire squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2300570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Just played our youngest wolf lord for the first time. Ragnar was the youngest Space Wolf to be elevated to the position of Wolf Lord, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is currently the youngest Wolf Lord. I don't have the exact timeline at hand, at the moment, but I believe Ragnar has been Wolf Lord now for several hundred years, as of the current Imperial date. I'm sure someone with the fluff will come along and discuss soon. My question is. At what point is a named character like Ragnar a great choice? 2000 pts? is he still worth it at 1500? Anyone use him regularly? Cuz this was a first for me. I think it comes down to what you intend for him to do for you, and whether other cheaper HQ options could also work. I use his Great Company, so I include him as often as I can, regardless of points. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2300571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I take Ragnar 2 ways:5 Termies; mixed with different setups or.. 10x Grey Hunters w/ WGT with Chain Fist. 225 vs 228 points worth. Always in a LRC. Just don't try to make the unit TOO expensive.. or you'll find yourself putting all your eggs in 1 basket. - Don't give the WG TDA - You can't run things down. Would you rather get stuck in combat with a Dreadnought? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2300623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 My only true complaint about him is that he doesnt have Eternal Warrior, so a big juicy fist to the face will down him instantly (assuming he fails his invul). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2300668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 My only true complaint about him is that he doesnt have Eternal Warrior, so a big juicy fist to the face will down him instantly (assuming he fails his invul). True, but I think you'll find that there are rarely any models left around to strike back after receiving a Ragnar (plus attached unit) charge. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2300687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfen00 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Ragnar is a constant in my army, usually with Termies or a unit of GH. I would suggest 1500 + but if done right as little as 1k games Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Ragnar is a constant in my army, usually with Termies or a unit of GH. I would suggest 1500 + but if done right as little as 1k games I disagree completely. He's only really viable in 2k games. You can't really justify Ragnar in 1k over a LRC can you? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VorpalDoom Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 1k point games he's not worth it. especially if you put him in a LRC with a big unit. Provided your opponent has half a mind to create a viable list, you'll get torn apart. 2k games? He can be worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Ragnar is a constant in my army, usually with Termies or a unit of GH. I would suggest 1500 + but if done right as little as 1k games I disagree completely. He's only really viable in 2k games. You can't really justify Ragnar in 1k over a LRC can you? :( I once played 1000 points against Necrons.....he had a C-tan (360 points) and a monolith....... in 1000 points.....that was a rather quick game..... I think Ragnar, is good enough at 1500 points, wouldn't use him at 1000 though..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffydd Fireclaw Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Just played our youngest wolf lord for the first time. Ragnar was the youngest Space Wolf to be elevated to the position of Wolf Lord, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is currently the youngest Wolf Lord. I don't have the exact timeline at hand, at the moment, but I believe Ragnar has been Wolf Lord now for several hundred years, as of the current Imperial date. I'm sure someone with the fluff will come along and discuss soon. You're thinking of Logan Grimnar. Ragnar's not very old at all, maybe a hundred and fifty at most (probably quite a bit younger, bearing in mind he missed out grey hunter completely, and was elected wolf lord when the previous wolf lord, Berek Thunderfist, died), but Logan's been serving in the Sapce Wolves Chapter for at least 700 years. In fact that may have just been the time he's been great wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Just played our youngest wolf lord for the first time. Ragnar was the youngest Space Wolf to be elevated to the position of Wolf Lord, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is currently the youngest Wolf Lord. I don't have the exact timeline at hand, at the moment, but I believe Ragnar has been Wolf Lord now for several hundred years, as of the current Imperial date. I'm sure someone with the fluff will come along and discuss soon. You're thinking of Logan Grimnar. Ragnar's not very old at all, maybe a hundred and fifty at most (probably quite a bit younger, bearing in mind he missed out grey hunter completely, and was elected wolf lord when the previous wolf lord, Berek Thunderfist, died), but Logan's been serving in the Sapce Wolves Chapter for at least 700 years. In fact that may have just been the time he's been great wolf. Nope, I'm not thinking of Logan, I'm thinking of Ragnar. Ragnar did skip being a Grey Hunter and went straight to being a Wolf Guard from being a Blood Claw. When Berek Thunderfist died Ragnar was selected to replace him from among the Wolf Guard of Berek's Great Company (making him the youngest Space Wolf to become a Wolf Lord), but that was several hundred years ago. I'll see if I can find an old reference with the Imperial Date of when this ocurred; it might be in old 2nd Edition stuff. So, just because he was the youngest to ever hold the position of Wolf Lord, doesn't mean that he is necessarily the youngest current Wolf Lord. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 i wont use any wolf lord in any game smaller than 2k pts. i just don't think its fitting that the leader of the great company enters the fray for a minor skirmish. if it ws a themed mission where it was just the wolf lord and his bodyguard that ha been cut off then thats fine, but for a standard mission using special characters/wolf lords in general doesn't feel right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 i personally hate all named characters save for bjorn. i understand their usefulness but people around here tend to always seem to be able to take out SCs reguardless or the army. i have tried many different characters and i always feel that they are the limiting factor of my army. i guess i am just set in my ways though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 only named characters i would think about taking is ulrik and njal, or very possibly arjac (although i would rename him and count him as my company champion rather than grimnars). i doubt i shall ever field ragnar or logan. certainly wont take canis. maybe on a very rare occassion or in very large battles njal or ulrik but its unlikely. as good as he is bjorn just seems too expensive for me to take. think i'll stick to my own wolf lord and other heroes.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 I tend to be more of a character user myself (I play ultramarines as my other army), however with the ability to kit out you wolf lord as you like I have gotten farther away from the characters reevaluated my position of using them in the Space Wolves. Most of the characters just seem to cost to much for what they bring to the army. As I have played more it seems that taking the normal Wolf Lord and other HQs allow you to tailor them to a role you want them to play in Your army, rather than building your army around your HQ. That said... Ragnar is a great choice if you want to use him. He can be devastating and can be a game breaker, just be careful not to put to many points in one basket with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193580-ragnar-warrior-born/#findComment-2301542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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