White Hunter Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 So I have been putting together a list for my DIY chapter (Don't worry no wolves or TWC :blush: ) and was wondering what you guys think about putting a WGBL with Arjac in a LRC. Adding a WGBL will give a bunch of I5 attacks (either with Frostblade or Dual Wolf Claw) to go and clear the way before Arjac so that he won't get bogged down in Combat. What do you guys think, is adding an I5 HQ to Arjac's units worth it, or is a big points sink? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlbitz Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 It would be very powerful in CC but I would worry about over-kill. Ideally I would think that you want to win combat but not wipe out the enemy, keeping them locked and finishing them off in their turn. I think you would be better off having a 2nd unit in support with the WGBL prepared for a counter strike, in case your opponent starts to send in reinforcements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2301508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 WGBL is a IC.. so if he's packing nothing but a FB and Bolt Pistol, he's going to be taking some hits in the face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2301531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted March 2, 2010 Author Share Posted March 2, 2010 Actually as I look at it the WGBL loadout would probably be FB+SS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2301534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Expensive ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2301602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearboy Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Give arjac some sword and sheild(Maybe not the sheilds) wolf guard buddies if you want some higher inititive hits. Although if its a big enough points match or you have no other srea to put a HQ go fo the WGBL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2301619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Give him 8 Bloodclaws to lead and you have more attacks when you charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2301633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Expensive :P and arjac isn't? i would personally take the WGBL of arjac any day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Arjak all the way. He hasn't failed me yet. Tho the I5 attacks would be nice. Bit point sink, but then again what isnt really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucku Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 I tend to run Logan and Arjac together - Logan's Preferred Enemy/Tank Hunters mojo just buffs Arjac all the more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Expensive :P and arjac isn't? i would personally take the WGBL of arjac any day. Except Arjac is like 10 times better. I5 means very little when you're trying to kill MCs, ICs, stomping on Vehicles, everything. I don't know how you compare a S5 I5 IC to something that can't be picked out, gets re-rolls and can threaten anything from Vulkan to Hive Tyrant to Land Raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Arjac is a WGBL that with a S10 TH that can't be targetted in combat Arjac wins Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 arjac + Logan = very good :P ive run it twice in 2000 points! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Expensive ;) and arjac isn't? i would personally take the WGBL of arjac any day. Except Arjac is like 10 times better. I5 means very little when you're trying to kill MCs, ICs, stomping on Vehicles, everything. I don't know how you compare a S5 I5 IC to something that can't be picked out, gets re-rolls and can threaten anything from Vulkan to Hive Tyrant to Land Raider. Ya :) I obviously can't type today Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn the Fell-Handed Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Expensive :( and arjac isn't? i would personally take the WGBL of arjac any day. Point for point, Arjac Rockfist is better. in terms of gear and abilities. However, his lack of IC status is asomething annoying; Id rather he was a WGBL proper, rather than just an upgrade character. I take neithe personally. I find Logan alone is a potent enough HQ selection for most enemies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted March 2, 2010 Author Share Posted March 2, 2010 So I just wanted to clarify here. The issue I was asking isn't if I should take Arjac or a WGBL, it is if I should add a WGBL to Arjac's unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 So I just wanted to clarify here. The issue I was asking isn't if I should take Arjac or a WGBL, it is if I should add a WGBL to Arjac's unit. I think that you got your answer; most are saying no, it isn't worth it. Arjac will be fine with whatever unit he's already with doing the "clearing" at I4. Use your WGBL, if you're going to take one, in another unit that needs the help. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 So I just wanted to clarify here. The issue I was asking isn't if I should take Arjac or a WGBL, it is if I should add a WGBL to Arjac's unit. Only if you want the opponent to shoot you during his turn. The ideal combat force decimates the opponent but stays locked until your next turn Arjac and his unit (10GH or 15BC etc) "should" be able to handle most opponents in 2 rounds of assault Adding the WGBL makes you too efficient and costs too much pointwise Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted March 2, 2010 Author Share Posted March 2, 2010 The ideal combat force decimates the opponent but stays locked until your next turn Adding the WGBL makes you too efficient and costs too much pointwise This is exactly what I have trouble balancing out Thanks very much for all your thoughts guys. Ale all around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/193724-wgbl-and-arjac/#findComment-2302445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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