Wolf Tooth talisman question

[Hear da Lamentation]

Quick question based on a scenario.

 

RP is in a rhino. He has a WTT and there is 9 GH in the rhino with him.

 

Zoethrope pops up and uses his lance on the rhino.

1. RP gets to try to negate it with his runeweapon (he is in 24"). This fails to negate it.

2. Does he get to try to negate the effect AS WELL due to the WTT?

 

Does the rhino count as part of the unit?

If not - ignoring the rhino part, if the unit itself gets shot at by a lance (i.e. not in a rhino) would the RP get a 4+ negate roll - THEN a 5+ negate roll if that fails?

 

H.D.L.

[CainTheHunter]

Without Rhino I'd say yes, lance clearly affects him or unit, part of which is RP. As to Rhino, it is dedicated transport and not a part of the unit, but I stand to be corrected here.

[Sulfurious]

I would say yes because the wording for the WTT says if your unit is "affected" by a psychic power then you can use it. First you see if your Runic weapon can negate the power, then if you managed to be affected by the power then you get to roll for the WTT. At least that how I play it.

 

And yes, when inside the Rhino, it becomes part of the unit.

 

*edit* Now that I think about it, I'm not sure about the Rhino part. I think you'd probably just get the Runic Save in that case.

[Spacefrisian]

Yes you can use it, if the vehicle would be destroyed it would also affect the unit inside.

[Schertenleib]

The way I understand it....

 

The transport and the unit embarked are separate units. You don't have to shoot at the same target during the firing phase after all, and if you use your smoke laucher the squad can still fire from the firing ports. So I would say you get the Runic save, but not the Wolf Tail Talisman save.

[Hear da Lamentation]

OK, thanks for the responses. A couple of points.

 

Yes you can use it, if the vehicle would be destroyed it would also affect the unit inside.

This seems to hit the nail on the head for me. If the unit inside is going to be effected, then you would do the roll for WTT. So if the rhino is destroyed, you get the roll. If a weapons gets destroyed, you don't.

 

The transport and the unit embarked are separate units. You don't have to shoot at the same target during the firing phase after all

Really? I had just assumed you did have to shoot at the same target.

[Schertenleib]

Taken from the Games Workshop 40K FAQ:

 

Q. Must passengers fire at the same target that

their vehicle is firing at?

A. No, they are a separate unit (albeit they are

temporarily co-existing with the vehicle) and so

can fire at a different target.

 

So the Wolf Tail effects the unit in the vehicle not the vehicle. IMO

[CainTheHunter]

Taken from the Games Workshop 40K FAQ:

 

Q. Must passengers fire at the same target that

their vehicle is firing at?

A. No, they are a separate unit (albeit they are

temporarily co-existing with the vehicle) and so

can fire at a different target.

 

So the Wolf Tail effects the unit in the vehicle not the vehicle. IMO

 

I tend to agree, as this also goes in line with the Dawn of War deployment rule when troops with dedicated transports count as two units.

[Hear da Lamentation]

Taken from the Games Workshop 40K FAQ:

 

Q. Must passengers fire at the same target that

their vehicle is firing at?

A. No, they are a separate unit (albeit they are

temporarily co-existing with the vehicle) and so

can fire at a different target.

 

So the Wolf Tail effects the unit in the vehicle not the vehicle. IMO

 

I tend to agree, as this also goes in line with the Dawn of War deployment rule when troops with dedicated transports count as two units.

 

Woah - this is all a learning curve. :P First of all, I didnt know that the rhino counts as a unit on DoW. Damn !

 

OK so the transport and the passengers are separate units and therefore the RP can never protect a transport in this way. Does this mean that even if the vehicle expodes (because of psychic causes) and the passengers get damaged, you still can't have the roll because it is the vehicle damaging you - not the psych? <ackh - rule mindbend :lol: )

 

H.D.L.

[Frosty the Pyro]

WTT cannot be used to assist the rhino, Any "affect" the power would have on the unit is indirect. If you start arguing that an inderect effect is enouph, then WTT could be used to atempt to nulify a power used against an unatached IC on the otherside of the board, because that IC may at some later time join the unit. Which is fairly idiotic. So no dice.

[stinkenheim]

no, the rhino is not part of the unit and so cannot be protected by a wolf tail talisman worn by an embarked model.

the rhino and the unit inside are completely seperate.