Cover question

[Doberman]

I had a situation in the last game I played where an enemy unit were on top of a hill on which there was one tree. Small tree from the GW tree pack.

 

We didn't state how much cover the tree gave at the start of the game.

 

The enemy unit was claiming cover from the tree in the shooting Phase, which I accepted, begrudgingly.

 

I then assaulted them, now even though the models I assaulted were in front of the tree and in base to base with my unit, some of the models in the enemy unit were behind the tree.

 

Cover was claimed for the assault, knackering up my initative.

 

An discussion ensued. I let him have the cover, as I wanted to get the game going.

 

So I ask the Wolves, what was the correct rule on this? Should he have had cover from my assault?

 

And before you say it I know we should have designated the cover level for each type of terrain on the battle field. :)

[Lord Managarmr]

ok the rule book states that if you have to make a DT test then your initiative is reduced to one.

now the fact that you assaulted the enemy in front of the tree and didn't make a DT test then your I would be at it's original. But if you could get your guys in base to base with the enemy, which you have to do if at all possible if not then within 2" of another in Base to Base, and this takes you through terrain which you make a test for then and only then would your I be reduced. hope that was clear enough for you.

cheers

Lord Managarmr.

[Stormshrug]

We didn't state how much cover the tree gave at the start of the game.

 

There's your problem.

 

You did the sportswolflike thing not to argue about it, though, and that's laudable in and of itself. I laud you, sir.

 

-Stormshrug

[Ullr Direfang]

well to me.....

 

1) how much of the target unit could you see when shooting at it? was 50% of it in cover? if so then thy would of had cover, if not then it wouldn't of had cover.

2) was it area terrain? around here we don't have very many trees, but we have odd shaped cut out that one or two trees get put on. from start of game to end it counts as area terrain, you can see through it but models still get cover saves and if a unit is it it, regardless of where, it is in cover.

3) like awhat has been said, if you din't take a diffacult terrain test to gt into combat then you wouldn't have gone at I1.

4) if you are the wolves player (which i assume you are as you are posting here), then you should of had assualt grenades so it wouldn't of really mattered.

 

sunds like the person you played should spend some qualty with the rule book.

[Spacefrisian]

The rules for cover arent that hard (and can be found in the rule book).

 

If a model is in terrain he has a cover save period.

 

If a model shoots out of cover and he stand on the edge you wont get a cover save.

 

If a model shoots out of cover while being over 2" from the edge you get a cover save.

 

Refer to p 21 of the small red book for these.

 

For charging you roll the dice to see how far you can charge, walls and any other stuff are negated afterwards its assumed you charge right through them. (p 36 small red book)

[Hear da Lamentation]

Just a few clarifications here .... cause I am the offender.

 

The OP is actually a <gasp> tyranid player. This is why he is asking about the cover.

 

1. No cover save (for me) was claimed in shooting phase (there was nothing on the board better than AP4, so it was un-needed anyway.)

2. What we stated earlier was that units I was shooting at which were obscured by the tree - got a cover save.

3. The Nid's didnt make a dangerous terrain test when they assaulted. They possibly should have though.

 

The situation was something like this.

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .ASSAULTING GENESTEALERS

. . . . . .TREE

X X X . . . . X X

 

I think this guy hit the nail on the head ...

 

ok the rule book states that if you have to make a DT test then your initiative is reduced to one.

now the fact that you assaulted the enemy in front of the tree and didn't make a DT test then your I would be at it's original. But if you could get your guys in base to base with the enemy, which you have to do if at all possible if not then within 2" of another in Base to Base, and this takes you through terrain which you make a test for then and only then would your I be reduced. hope that was clear enough for you.

cheers

Lord Managarmr.

 

We should have done this initial move more carefully.

 

As someone else said though ... we should have declared what effect the "one tree" had before the game started.

[Doberman]

It seems the beer has addled your memory HDL.

It was actually like this:

 

 

..........genestealers..........

............X...X..X...

..........Tree....X...

................X

 

I was in base to base with 3 models.

 

And you may remember your other unit of grey wolves under the tree didn't have to make any difficult terrain rolls, when moving about.

 

Looks like age is finally getting to you. :rolleyes: or is that selective memory?

[Lumdin]

I know the club we play at most terrain with 1 or 2 trees is considered forest. And that is agreed upon by all. So a dt test to pass thru and providing cover.

 

They use to have full forest terrain but it was very difficult to place units within and trees kept getting ripped off the terrain.

 

But again it should have been clarified before game start.

 

 

Just my 2 cents anyway.

[Hear da Lamentation]

It seems the beer has addled your memory HDL.

It was actually like this:

 

 

..........genestealers..........

............X...X..X...

..........Tree....X...

................X

 

I was in base to base with 3 models.

 

And you may remember your other unit of grey wolves under the tree didn't have to make any difficult terrain rolls, when moving about.

 

Looks like age is finally getting to you. or is that selective memory?

 

Hehe .. i'm sure everyone doesn't want to hear this argument - but that's total rubbish. None of the LF were in front of the tree. Your genestealers were assaulting from the side, not the front (they had just squished a group of bikers who were BESIDE the LF) and the unit of grey hunters weren't under the tree - they had gotten out of a rhino and walked up a hill. As you freely admitted at the time, if you had realised you were attacking the LF through cover, you would have attacked the GH - because they were no where near cover. Beer addled maybe :lol: But clearly not as much as you :( Check the photo you took ... as I didn't move the LF all game.

 

As mentioned, next time we will agree what is cover beforehand and we won't have this issue.

 

Enough of this silly arguing ... lets do some silly arguing about Doom on Malantai effecting troops in vehicles instead ;)

[Doberman]

Enough of this silly arguing ... lets do some silly arguing about Doom on Malantai effecting troops in vehicles instead

Ah! Don't get me started on that one. Roll on the FAQ!

 

 

BTW I didn't say you moved the LF, you never do. They're usually too busy blowing the bejasus out of my poor 'nids!

 

@Stormshrug. Many thanks for the lauding. :(