fjgarces Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 A quick one: Is legal to hit and wound a (ie), wraithlord with a thunder hammer downing his I to 1 and in the next shooting phase launch JOTWW to the WL to kill it? Regards ans thanks. Javi Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Does the Thunder Hammer reduce actual initiative, or just make it so you fight at initiative 1? Thats a huge difference for JoTWW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/#findComment-2310179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjgarces Posted March 9, 2010 Author Share Posted March 9, 2010 thunder hammers reduce the enemy I to 1 until the next players turn. So mybe its a good idea to use this tactic when the WL charges you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/#findComment-2310195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 If the Thunder Hammer says it reduces it would work well against any monsterous creature with JoTWW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/#findComment-2310197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 this came up a while ago, and was also questioned by people wanting to use arjacs thrown hammer (which my or may not have the thunderhammer 'stun' rule at range). BRB p 42 Thunder Hammers: ...In addition, all models that suffer an unsaved wound from a thunder hammer and are not killed will be knocked reeling, reducing their Initiative to a value of 1 until the end of the next players turn... Whilst the intention may have bee merely to have them count as I1 when making close combat attacks the wording clearly states that they have their I reduced to 1. the rules for characteristic tests make no mention of using the base profile so take into account certain modiications (obviously weapon/wargear modifiers are not counted) so the temporary reduction would be what the testis taken against. However, JOWW requires LOS and so to be able to use this against the WL whilst it is locked in combat is going to be awkward and not always possible. If you can do it then kudos, but I would not rely on this as a surefire way to kill the WL. Also don't forget due to the rules for JOWW the WL would count as having I2 (they can subtract one from their I test, so a 2 would become a 1) and as i know from fantasy and playing orks, just when you don't want your opponent to roll low they will... continually :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/#findComment-2310205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjgarces Posted March 9, 2010 Author Share Posted March 9, 2010 Ok, it seems better to get a round of crack missiles from 2 LF packs. :huh: and use the RP for other tasks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/#findComment-2310354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumdin Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 In addition you couldnt target the wraith lord with JOTWW. Can't target a model in combat. You would have to position the rune priest in a way to intially target a model not in combat and have it so the 24" line would then intercept the WL for it to work. Alot of positioning to get this to work. JOTWW intial target has to follow the rules of pyschic shooting attacks. This was my understanding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/#findComment-2310373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiltedMarine Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 The above is correct regarding targeting JOTWW, alas. But bonus points for creative thinking! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/#findComment-2310916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Betrayed_Spacewolf Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 i think you have to use the written characteristic not the adjusted one. at least im pretty sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/194286-th-and-jotww/#findComment-2311471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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