Ulrik any good?

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Now I quite like the ulrik model, and I like his fluff, I am just not sure how viable he is in an army that does not use Blood Claws and is usually at around 1000pts, sometimes 1500, ocaisonly 2k, so how do you use him and is he any good.

[Sarapham]

Well using Ulric can be a bit tricky because he can in many instances actually be worse than a normal WP. Even though he re-rolls both to hits and to wounds the effect is against T5 and up. Compared to a normal WP in which you choose a unit type which means it is both more customizable and will work in more cases, especially with BCs who really should not assault that many T5+ units and instead focus on regular anti-infantry according to me.

 

 

One pretty cool, although debatable use of Ulric is in a unit of Long fangs to make them the best shots in the world.

[Taeken]

I'm actually going to try out the Ulrik with Long Fangs technique very soon. Going to be vs Necrons, and the Nec player loves to deep strike scarab swarms into my LF's. So not only will the LF's be way better at taking things out, I will have Ulric (+ squad leader) there to stomp down on the scarabs when they come. And And of course Ulric can run up and help out with another pack as needed if there are any T5+ near.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

whats the toughness of scarabs?

 

remember despite whether it does work in ranged or not the target has to be majority toughness 5 to use his special rule.

[Kenmichi]

One pretty cool, although debatable use of Ulric is in a unit of Long fangs to make them the best shots in the world.

 

I didn't realize the OP posted this topic twice so I'll repost and comment.

 

At 1000 points as much as I love Ulrik a generic Wolf Priest will probably suit you better just because Ulrik isn't customizable.

 

Now for my comment on Sarapham's post, there's some debate on this possibility but the primary consensus is that this will not work because of how the word "attacks" is used specifically for melee. The words "fire" and "shoot" are used to define ranged attacks and Ulrik's Slayer's Oath says "attacks". Plus there's also the usage of the phrase "allocate wounds" in the Slayer's Oath description and that phrase is strictly and solely used in the Assault Phase section of the BRB.

[The_Betrayed_Spacewolf]

unless you strictly have to or want to avoid named characters.

 

logan, bjorn, and maybe ragnar are the only ones i have found a use for.

 

ulrick hurts alot more than he helps.

njal his best power doesnt work if he goes second ;)?

arjac needs an expensive delivery system and he costs how much?

loki why would you ever bring this guy?

bjorn expensive dreadnought perfect for alpha strikes

logan allows the use of our best troops

ragnar good assault capabilities combined with 3-4 wolf guard with power weapons will wipe the floor with alot

canis expensive suicide unit no invulnerable save. allows cavalry to be troops but cant capture.

[Ullr Direfang]

One pretty cool, although debatable use of Ulric is in a unit of Long fangs to make them the best shots in the world.

 

Read the rules? I really don't want this to start up again, but really? Attacks, not Shots. Do it if you want but make sure you and your opponents agree to how it is worded and what the rules say.

[Sarapham]

One pretty cool, although debatable use of Ulric is in a unit of Long fangs to make them the best shots in the world.

 

Read the rules? I really don't want this to start up again, but really? Attacks, not Shots. Do it if you want but make sure you and your opponents agree to how it is worded and what the rules say.

 

 

Debatable.. because there is still not a clear consensus about it. I´m not going to use it. I´m saying that if it works that is a trick, but I added debatable. So chill.

[Spacefrisian]

If you take Ulrik than put him up high so that any SW unit of youre army can re-roll their morale check.

 

Björn should be killed in that stupid mission that always ends in a Draw "capture and control" or something (they should kick the guy in the nuts who came up with that stupid mission), 2vs 1 Objective and you win.

[Kenmichi]

One pretty cool, although debatable use of Ulric is in a unit of Long fangs to make them the best shots in the world.

 

Read the rules? I really don't want this to start up again, but really? Attacks, not Shots. Do it if you want but make sure you and your opponents agree to how it is worded and what the rules say.

 

 

Debatable.. because there is still not a clear consensus about it. I´m not going to use it. I´m saying that if it works that is a trick, but I added debatable. So chill.

 

It's fairly clear. Read my post up above.

[Sarapham]

One pretty cool, although debatable use of Ulric is in a unit of Long fangs to make them the best shots in the world.

 

Read the rules? I really don't want this to start up again, but really? Attacks, not Shots. Do it if you want but make sure you and your opponents agree to how it is worded and what the rules say.

 

 

Debatable.. because there is still not a clear consensus about it. I´m not going to use it. I´m saying that if it works that is a trick, but I added debatable. So chill.

 

It's fairly clear. Read my post up above.

 

It is not clear to all, even if you are correct many read it wrong.

[Ullr Direfang]

One pretty cool, although debatable use of Ulric is in a unit of Long fangs to make them the best shots in the world.

 

Read the rules? I really don't want this to start up again, but really? Attacks, not Shots. Do it if you want but make sure you and your opponents agree to how it is worded and what the rules say.

 

 

Debatable.. because there is still not a clear consensus about it. I´m not going to use it. I´m saying that if it works that is a trick, but I added debatable. So chill.

 

It's fairly clear. Read my post up above.

 

It is not clear to all, even if you are correct many read it wrong.

 

It is clear. What is an ATTACK? In the shooting phase you make SHOTS. if you read the rule book the word attack never shows up in the shooting phase. and Ulrik' special rule says Attacks, so according to the rule book, you can't reroll shots. I think some one even said they called (i know it isn't always reliable but hey it happened). I understand that you wont do it, I am just trying to prevent people from thinking it is an ok thing to do.

 

you can go HERE to seea closed discussion on it.

[Sarapham]

One pretty cool, although debatable use of Ulric is in a unit of Long fangs to make them the best shots in the world.

 

Read the rules? I really don't want this to start up again, but really? Attacks, not Shots. Do it if you want but make sure you and your opponents agree to how it is worded and what the rules say.

 

 

Debatable.. because there is still not a clear consensus about it. I´m not going to use it. I´m saying that if it works that is a trick, but I added debatable. So chill.

 

It's fairly clear. Read my post up above.

 

It is not clear to all, even if you are correct many read it wrong.

 

It is clear. What is an ATTACK? In the shooting phase you make SHOTS. if you read the rule book the word attack never shows up in the shooting phase. and Ulrik' special rule says Attacks, so according to the rule book, you can't reroll shots. I think some one even said they called (i know it isn't always reliable but hey it happened). I understand that you wont do it, I am just trying to prevent people from thinking it is an ok thing to do.

 

you can go HERE to seea closed discussion on it.

 

 

 

Yes and I agree, however it is not clear because of the fact that people can still read it wrong. Even the thread you referred to was closed because there was no end in sight, why? Because people could still see it as if it worked. Hell even "famous" people like Stelek had this interpretation (do not know if he still does) if you read his blog and many follow that.

 

So yes it is good to show people what is probably right but I still think it´s debatable just for the simple fact that everyone does not agree.

[Max_Dammit]

Please get back on topic and let this rest as its been talked about.

[LucasLAD]

The best thing about Ulric IMHO is that he's an I5 wolf priest, other than that he's actually WORSE than a regular wp. You can give a regular WP a WTN, Runic Armor, and Warrior Born and still come out 15 points cheaper than Ulric. Also if you're really concerned about MC's or are facing T5 then just declare Monstrous Creatures or Infantry (Against DG) with Oath of Battle. The only thing that the regular Wolf Priest isn't superior on is Initiatve and even then its not really a deal breaker.

 

On another note

 

I think Ragnar is possible one of the best characters if not THE best. Yes Logan lets us take WG as troops but ragnar is flat out a monster. A potential 8 attacks on the charge at Str6 I6? Beastly. I actually don't bother taking a WG unit with him, I just use a GH squad with a melta, power weapon, wolf banner, and a WG with a frost weapon. +d3 attacks on the charge 1 or 2 = 1 so reroll and blammo, pain train. The only thing he really can't stand up to at this point is a Tyrant and the new Mephiston, both of which should be shot in the face with longfangs and razorbacks till it stops being funny.

 

 

PS - I know the D3 result of 1 or 2 is a debatable issue, but it's the way it's played at our store.

[Coverfire]

Actually the re-rolling or Ragnar's Insane Bravado roll of 1's and 2's once the Wolf Standard has been revealed, does make sense after the FAQ revealed the leadership tests could not re-roll 1's as the minimum roll you could get on 2D6 was 2

 

I have no idea how long this will hold up for but if a leadership roll becomes (min) 2 then a dice roll of 2 for Insane Bravado which becomes a 1 must be re-rollable

[Max_Dammit]

To mimic a d3 you can rerole everything above a 3 till you get a 1,2 or 3, or you can say 1&2 are a 1 3&4 etc, so i say yeah you can rerole the 1 and 2 if you use the d3 like that