Complete list of every named Ultramarine

[mega_marines]

Though it may be rank until death, rotation of duty is still highly plausible. Simply switch out your shoulder pauldrons for your current company. And going into the Inferno Article bit. If it has been published by Black Library, an arm of Games Workshop, then it is indeed canon. Souldrinkers, for example. Many people don't like them, some love them, but it doesn't matter, they are indeed canon. Just because we believe something shouldn't exist, doesn't mean it will just stop being there. We have to accept that it is part of our history, whether it makes no sense, or it makes perfect sense. Edited August 29, 2008 by mega_marines

[The Emperor's Champion]

Terrible policy.

[mega_marines]

Terrible policy.

 

 

Agreed, but we have to remember we don't always get what we want, good sir. Even if he is an Ultramarine Captain. Geez, who would have thought we'd never want another Ultramarine. ;)

 

I do understand where you are coming from, and I wholeheartedly agree. But we can't just bypass the guidelines laid down for the 40K Universe. Kind of like the Codex Astartes... :D

Edited August 29, 2008 by mega_marines

[Brother Pariah]

Eh, I can think of at least four 2nd company Captains that were supposed to be commanding the company at roughly the same time. It doesn't bother me. We can just document 'em here and let people make up their own minds about which one is in charge of their own personal 2nd Co. Personally, Captain Asata has been leading mine for years now, but I may switch to Captain Sicarius soon.

[The Emperor's Champion]

Who's the 4th one?

[Brother Pariah]

Captain Agrippa, from Final Liberation.

[The Emperor's Champion]

Oh, there was Captain Cassius too from the 3rd Edition BBB. I don't know if we should count him or not. I think he might've just been the Overfiend's personal Captain rather than official, but that automatically makes him 10x more official in my book than anything McNeill writes.

 

 

So....2nd Company Captains:

Agemman

Sicarius

Pythea ;)

Agrippa

Asata

Cassius

Edited August 30, 2008 by The Emperor's Champion

[Seahawk]

New names from the newest White Dwarf. I'm particularly lazy, so if these already came up, well slap me with a mackerel I'm done.

 

Gladius - Captain Sicarius's personal Thunderhawk Gunship

Brother Haxis - The pilot of the Gladius

Brother Agnathio - One of the two dreadnoughts in the second company

Valin's Revenge - Strike Cruiser

[The Emperor's Champion]

I think there are more than 2 2nd Co. Dreads.

Seems to me that 2 is just the "target" number.

[Cato Sicarius]

There is only one 2nd Company one according to the new 'Dex that's coming out. It has a Multi-Melta and Storm Bolter on Power Fist according to the Black Reach novel and it's name is Agnathio. Brother-Agnathio seems to be a Venerable in the 2nd Company. he is the Dread you get in the Assault on Black Reach boxed set.

[The Emperor's Champion]

Ferox is a 2nd Company Dreadnought, so that's at least two.

[Cato Sicarius]

Read the start of my last post. Only one in the 'Dex. Only one in the Company. There is even an illustration. For all we know, Ferox could be dead. And for all we know, the picture in the Rulebook could be just a guideline for Codex Chapter companies. Remember, we're in the Time of Ending now. It has moved on. Edited September 8, 2008 by Cato Sicarius

[The Emperor's Champion]

Or he could be sleeping or getting repaired or he's off attached to some other force. Assuming anything is hazardous. Unless there are actual words that say "here is Dreadnought _____, he's the only Dreadnought of the 2nd Company." it's silly to assume so.

[Cato Sicarius]

Well I'm assuming from the Codex and the Assault on Black Reach novel. In which Agnathio is a Venerable of the 2nd Company. Combined with the Codex illustration, I deduct that he is the only 2nd Company Dread.

[The Emperor's Champion]

To me that just shows which Dreadnought is currently most active. Dreadnoughts stay in stasis a lot of the time and rotate active duty to extend their lives.

[Captain Idaho]

To me that just shows which Dreadnought is currently most active. Dreadnoughts stay in stasis a lot of the time and rotate active duty to extend their lives.

 

Agreed. The idea of there only being a single Dreadnought in a Company, to me at least, smacks of being seriously under strength. As the most efficient Chapter going, combined with the large turn over of recruits, there is no excuse for that long term. Except of course the elite 1st coy took a little longer to replenish, but that's because they are, well, elite.

[Cato Sicarius]

Well if it's showing the warriors of the 2nd Company, it would show all Dreadnoughts wouldn't it? That's like saying it won't show a squad because the squad doesn't get much action, due to the Space Marines rarely commiting an entire Company to battle. Or because the squad is better in attacking, and at the moment, the Company is defending somewhere. Saying the Codex won't show it because it doesn't get much action is stupid (no offense meant). And perhaps they have a Dreadnought, but no-one to go in it? Edited September 9, 2008 by Cato Sicarius

[Captain Idaho]

Having not seen the Codex I can't really comment, but does the section showing the whole company detail each vehicle part of the company, including Land Speeders and transport vehicles, or the pilots of said vehicles?

 

If not, then there is your explanation; it is showing the warriors of the company not the support.

 

Besides, like Champ has said, if the Dreads of the Company are sleeping and inactive, it would be rude to awake them for the photographers!

[The Emperor's Champion]

It's probably showing all the currently active warriors and all of their personal gear rather than anything and everything they might ever go to war with. I'm sure it doesn't show every Drop Pod, all the Land Speeders, Bikes, Razorbacks, the Predators, Whirlwind, Vindicator, Land Raider, Attack Bikes, Thunderhawks etc etc...

 

If you're gonna point out that half those vehicles are part of the Armory rather than the 2nd Company, normally you'd be right but the 2nd Company does have its own Destructor, Annihilator, Land Raider, Land Raider Prometheus and Whirlwind.

Edited September 9, 2008 by The Emperor's Champion

[Seahawk]

Ya'll wrong, but I'll forgive it because you haven't yet seen the codex :lol:. There are two dreadnoughts pictured, although I don't remember their names. I believe they are different from all others previously mentioned. No support vehicles are shown, save maybe a razorback. It is all 100 men on foot and their personal armor, which varies from marine to marine, which is kind of fun trying to pick out different armor types.

 

Altogether it's weird though. A company should have 4 dreadnoughts, and while it shows the rest of the company at full strength, it doesn't show the dreadnoughts as such. GW placed them in the middle outward edges of the centerfold, but four could've fit in each corner. Whatever though.

[Tranc]

Well I have seen the new codex, so I'll share my thoughts:

 

1. The spread in the new codex does seem to imply that the 2nd company has only two Dreadnoughts (it doesn't say so explicitly, but IMO the implication is there). The spread does not show vehicles, but all warriors are included (and a Dreadnought is technically both :lol:)
   
2. Seahawk is correct that there are 2 Dreadnoughts shown, brother Agnathio is one and brother Ultracius is the other. However, note that these are personel names, not vehicle names! It's possible one of these brothers inhabits the Dreadnought known as Ferox (just as Severus inhabits Ironclaw and Maximus inhabits Victory).
   
3. The new codex gives nicknames for all the squads that comprise 2nd Company. E.g., 1st squad is called The Indomitable, 2nd squad is called The Shield Bearers, 4th squad are The Thunderbolts, etc. Those were all the squad names I remember so if you've seen the new 'dex and remember more please post ;)
   

 

UPDATE:

Ok, here are the names of the officers of 2nd Company from the 5th edition Codex: Space Marines (2008, pg. 18-19). I'm surprised no one's posted them yet!

 

Veteran Sergeant Daceus (command squad, "Lions of Macragge")

Apothecary Venatio

Honoured Brother Gaius Prabian (Company Champion)

Brother Vandius (Company Standard Bearer)

Brother Malcian

 

Sergeant Solinus (1st squad, "The Indomitable")

Sergeant Praxor Manorian (2nd squad, "The Shield Bearers")

Sergeant Scipio Vorolanus (3rd squad, "The Thunderbolts")

Sergeant Iulus Fennion (4th squad, "The Immortals")

Veteran Sergeant Vandar (5th squad, "The Victors")

Sergeant Octavian (6th squad, "Swords of Judgement")

Sergeant Ixion (7th squad, "Macragge's Avengers")

Sergeant Strabo (8th squad, "The Heroes of Selonopolis")

Sergeant Tirian (9th squad, "Guilliman's Hammer")

Sergeant Atavian (10th squad, "The Titan Slayers")

 

Note: I'm aware that, in game terms, all Sergeants are now Veterans, but the Assault on Black Reach novel seems to make a distinction. For now I'm only indicating Veteran Sergeant for those I've seen explicitly described as such. First names for several of the sergeants were taken from "Assault on Black Reach" the novel.

 

Also shown are two Dreadnoughts

 

Brother Agnathio - (Venerable) Dreadnought labeled "PRIMUS", he's over 5 thousand years old!

Brother Ultracius - Dreadnought labeled "VANDIUS"

 

and Chaplain Elianu Trajan, who has been attached to 2nd company since 901.M41

 

This information appears to be for circa 999.M41.

Edited March 2, 2009 by Tranc

[Cato Sicarius]

Really? I thought i only saw one... Oh well. I stand corrected.

[Captain Idaho]

Really? I thought i only saw one... Oh well. I stand corrected.

 

We both do! :P

[Brother Pariah]

A couple of "oldies but goodies:"

 

Captain Gregorian. Lead a (terminator) command unit , temporarily assigned as observers to a Blood Angels task force. Space Hulk Campaigns, p. 74. (Note: I assume that he was the 1st Co. Captain, though its possible that he's someone from the HQ Section with the rank of Captain.)

 

Commander Denzark. Space Hulk Campaigns, p. 78. ("Commanders" were what we now call Chapter Masters, back in those days of 1991, so Denzark is one of the Chapter Masters of the Ultramarines previous to or after Marneus Calgar.)

 

There are no dating cues that I can ascertain in any of the UM-related material in the book, aside from the obvious fact that Marneus Calgar isn't the Commander, which still leaves thousands of years in which these events could have taken place.

Edited September 28, 2008 by Brother Pariah

[Seahawk]

Venerable Dreadnought Agrippan, destroyed in the Damnos campaign (C:SM 2008, pg 38)

 

Thunderhawk Gunship Thunderstorm (C:SM 2008, pg 38)

 

Predators (all destroyed, but they're still named)

Heart of Defiance

Orar's Sentinel

Blade of Defiance

(C:SM 2008, pg 78)

 

Land Raider Pride of Argothia (C:SM 2008, pg 81)

 

As a side note, it seems the Valin's Revenge gets attached to duties with the 2nd company with some regularity; ie every campaign described in the new codex.

Edited October 9, 2008 by Seahawk