Psychic Talent of Primarchs

[DarKnight]

Obviously Magnus would be the most practiced and skilled psyker amongst the Primarchs, but due to their being based off of the genetic template of the Emperor, they have all psychic potential. Even a more physical combat Primarch such as Russ showed some psychic ability. After Magnus which order would you place the primarchs and would you guys argue that their abilities are innate or prafticed?

[Draeden]

Honestly... if I had to rate the psyker strength of the Primarchs in order

 

1. Magnus

Then, WAY WAY WAY below him...

2. Lorgar

- Dude was the first Primarch to actively revel in the Dark Gods

3. Angron

3. Leman Russ

-Both of them are strong headed enough to be about even imo

5. Night Haunter

- Dude could see the future

6. Alpharious and Omegon

- Honestly, these guys are so wrapped in secrecy they could be at the bottom or at the top of this list, just don't know

Then I'd end up sticking the rest around the same with Ferrus and Perturabo at the bottom for being much more mechanically inclined then their brothers.

 

It's more to do with Force of Will though with determining such a ranking. Magnus was the only one to actively practice it so it puts him miles above the rest, and the rest didn't. So you'd just have to measure their prowess by simply force of their personality.

[pingo]

What about Sanguinius? I thought he had great psychic talent?

 

I mean, his death scream haunts his chapter to this day.

[Legionator]

1- Magnus (He could run the Golden Throne)

2- Horus (I don't know his psychic power in pre Heresy era)

3- Lorgar

 

We can say psychic power is a way to Heresy. Burn the Witch!

[sonofblood]

I would definitly rate it on a 1-10 scale(with the Emprah being an 11)

 

Magnus - 10

 

Sanguinus - 7

 

Most Likely Lorgar - 6

 

Everyone else is 4 or lower.

 

Horus even says in.. I think Galaxy in Flames that Sanguinus was the one who should be the Warmaster and began listing off why and that included "Our Father's psychic talent." Or some such wording to that effect.

[Sons of Horus]

Magnus then Sanguinius then Curze

[Brother Nihm]

5. Night Haunter

- Dude could see the future

And project psychic waves of kinetic force (Ref: The Dark King). His talent is most assuredly innate which begs the question. Why didn't the Emperor feel it + do something about it, like train him?

[calgar101]

Magnus, then closely second Sanguinius. Magnus trained his powers, used sorcery and basically loved being a psyker. Sanguinius also had the gift of fore sight; he saw his own death at the hands of Horus and yet still fought him. I'd argue if he learned and trained his pyschic power he could of rivalled Magnus easily.

[Lord_Caerolion]

Why didn't the Emperor feel it + do something about it, like train him?

 

Because, after reading the new rulings of the council of Nikaea, the Emperor seems to have a " :lol: 'em" attitude when it comes to Astartes psykers. Any other psyker, and when they're untrained they're the most dangerous thing to the Imperium, and absolutely must be trained. When it's a Marine/Primarch though, we'll just ignore the problem, and the daemons clawing their way through the craniums of all the untrained psykers will all just go away.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Why didn't the Emperor feel it + do something about it, like train him?

 

Because, after reading the new rulings of the council of Nikaea, the Emperor seems to have a " ;) 'em" attitude when it comes to Astartes psykers. Any other psyker, and when they're untrained they're the most dangerous thing to the Imperium, and absolutely must be trained. When it's a Marine/Primarch though, we'll just ignore the problem, and the daemons clawing their way through the craniums of all the untrained psykers will all just go away.

 

Let's remember this is from a TS's point of view, so of course it is going to be the worst possible.

l'd say les wait and see what more... talented sources have to say on this matter.

 

WLK

[Kizzdougs]

Corax has the power to fool the human mind into thinking he isn't there,according to "ravens flight".this not a trained psychic power and only the emperor and corax are aware of it.however i've also read that corax was one of the primarchs most a posed to magnus' use of his powers,even removing his legion from the same war zone as the 1k sons,and refused to fight by their side at other times.

Dose this make corax a hypocrite or was he aware of the incredibly dangers incurred by the abuse of such powers?

[Lord_Caerolion]

Why didn't the Emperor feel it + do something about it, like train him?

 

Because, after reading the new rulings of the council of Nikaea, the Emperor seems to have a " :D 'em" attitude when it comes to Astartes psykers. Any other psyker, and when they're untrained they're the most dangerous thing to the Imperium, and absolutely must be trained. When it's a Marine/Primarch though, we'll just ignore the problem, and the daemons clawing their way through the craniums of all the untrained psykers will all just go away.

 

Let's remember this is from a TS's point of view, so of course it is going to be the worst possible.

l'd say les wait and see what more... talented sources have to say on this matter.

 

WLK

 

While that's true, and I'm desperately hoping that the Librarians are allowed in the Space Wolves version of the events, the fact that the Collected Visions version is the same as the Thousand Sons version, I'm finding it pretty unlikely they'll change it. Still, as I said, I'm hoping that they will clear it up in Prospero Burns.

[Ashe Darke]

5. Night Haunter

- Dude could see the future

And project psychic waves of kinetic force (Ref: The Dark King). His talent is most assuredly innate which begs the question. Why didn't the Emperor feel it + do something about it, like train him?

If you've not read Soul Hunter yet then don't read.

 

 

Talos who shares Curze's gift can do it as well and does so on 2 such occasions so there's some more proof of that.

 

[Verythrax Draconis]

5. Night Haunter

- Dude could see the future

And project psychic waves of kinetic force (Ref: The Dark King). His talent is most assuredly innate which begs the question. Why didn't the Emperor feel it + do something about it, like train him?

Cause when the primarchs wer being discovered and delivered to their legions, the Emperor was still selling the idea that the warp is just energy, daemons doesn't exist, etc. And incentive to psychic power use could easily expose that lie, I think.

 

And/or he simply saw that psykers could easily being dominated by chaos influence, so decided to keep it to navigator and astropaths, where their training and form of use were already proved right.

 

And about Magnus... I'll not dispute the fact that he was a psyker, but be is psyker is really an pre-requisite to sorcery? In 40k, I was always under the impression that sorcery was the power to commune with the warp powers (daemons or gods) through specific rituals, items/places of power, etc - something that could be acomplished by any normal man with the correct knowledge and means.

 

And a psyker would be some kind of human evolution (in the same vein as x-men :o ) that could peek directly into the warp with his mind, and of course, acomplish the some things that sorcery is capable of, but directly.

 

Like that Magnus spell that could work galaxy-wide, doens't seems to be something that he could do by being a psyker, but by being a sorcerer.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

Horus was a powerful psyker. His power as i see it was "Presence". It was hard to even look at him. I think this went beyond the other primarchs. "The Eyes of Horus". This is something that i think he past on to his Clone sons, Hastur Sejanus being the best example of this. Also i do think Corax and the others who spoke against psykers were hypocrites. Though maybe they were just ignorant.

[randian]

I think this largely depends on what you mean by "psychic talent". In A Thousand Sons Russ is described as having an exceptional warp presence, which is normally a sign of great psychic talent (non-psykers having almost zero warp presence), despite the fact that Russ evidences no overt psychic powers. I would argue that Russ' combat capabilities cannot be explained by the physical properties of his body. If he were mere flesh, he wouldn't be shrugging off 50-cal hits and killing several Astartes at once in a single swing, nor would he be able to increase the size of his body while fighting Magnus. On the other hand, if Russ prodigous psychic talent were unconsciously channeled into martial prowess that would neatly explain how he and other Primarchs have come to possess their absurd combat abilities.

[Lord Lorne Walkier]

On the other hand, if Russ prodigous psychic talent were unconsciously channeled into martial prowess that would neatly explain how he and other Primarchs have come to possess their absurd combat abilities.

 

I think the same can be said for the astartes in general.

[mob16151]

I think this largely depends on what you mean by "psychic talent". In A Thousand Sons Russ is described as having an exceptional warp presence, which is normally a sign of great psychic talent (non-psykers having almost zero warp presence), despite the fact that Russ evidences no overt psychic powers. I would argue that Russ' combat capabilities cannot be explained by the physical properties of his body. If he were mere flesh, he wouldn't be shrugging off 50-cal hits and killing several Astartes at once in a single swing, nor would he be able to increase the size of his body while fighting Magnus. On the other hand, if Russ prodigous psychic talent were unconsciously channeled into martial prowess that would neatly explain how he and other Primarchs have come to possess their absurd combat abilities.

 

 

That would also explain why that howling thing he does is so fear inducing to everyone. Some sort of physic shock is brought on by that yell in 1000 sons.