nurgling6688 Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Primarchs: Super human warriors bio engineered to be the pinnacle of humanity and the leaders of our civilization. Capable of god like abilities and powers, able to sway an entire sector to their cause with their presence alone. Yet they have the personality of an angsty teenager. I think the whole heresy can boil down to this: Primarchs: We have major daddy issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2332384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 Horus= Shinji Ikari Emperor= Gendo Golden Throne= Human Instrumentality project. Messed up acid trip of an ending to come. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2332886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starblayde Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Primarchs: Super human warriors bio engineered to be the pinnacle of humanity and the leaders of our civilization. Capable of god like abilities and powers, able to sway an entire sector to their cause with their presence alone. Yet they have the personality of an angsty teenager. I think the whole heresy can boil down to this: Primarchs: We have major daddy issues. If the Emperor was a better father, then the Heresy wouldn't have happened. Simple as that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2333469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Primarchs: Super human warriors bio engineered to be the pinnacle of humanity and the leaders of our civilization. Capable of god like abilities and powers, able to sway an entire sector to their cause with their presence alone. Yet they have the personality of an angsty teenager. I think the whole heresy can boil down to this: Primarchs: We have major daddy issues. If the Emperor was a better father, then the Heresy wouldn't have happened. Simple as that. Thats the fundamental flaw in that argument; the Emperor was not a father, he was - motive aside - a tyrant who sought to mould the universe in his image. He created generals, not sons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2335010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Whatever he was father or Tyrant he did a crap poor job of it. I mean it's like he wanted the love/approval of his "sons". Yet one minute he's acting the Tyrant with them, and yet another moment he's trying to be "dad". For example Konrad Cruze fights his brother and the next thing you know imperial assasins are after him. Yet Angron kills a Custodes and all the emperor does is teleport him away and say, hey War Hounds he's your problem now. Or conversely he shows Magnus the power and glory of the warp, then goes hey by the way, umm dont use that. If there had been more consistency perhaps the heresy never happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2335027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The WarPig Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 i think he was a :) because in false gods when horus is with the healing people and he sees the vision of him and his brothers in the capsules the empreor pauses the warp and talks to him and so if he pauses it he could have stopped it making the hersey not happen as he could have helped and train his sons as a father figure from the beginning so they wouldnt hate his ass Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2337364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Maybe the Emperor would have needed an Empress, every why only a Daddy and not a Mommy. She could have prevented the Heresy... Horus youve been a bad boy, now go stand in the corner with youre brothers Conrad and Angron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2337407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOniwaban Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I find it amusing how, as a devout Roman Catholic, I find the references to the Emperor's supposed "faults and shortcomings" more offensive than the references to Jesus and the Pope.(And also sad) I'd also like to throw out that Horus never really "turned" to chaos "willingly" he was injured, and in that state physically and emotionally(/psychically) corrupted and tainted. I completely believe that had not Erebus arrange his downfall(At least that's my understanding from the books), Horus would never have risen against his Father, the Emperor. Also, Lorgar is a tool. I use that in the derogatory way, not in the way as an instrument for the Chaos gods. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2337471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starblayde Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 I'd also like to throw out that Horus never really "turned" to chaos "willingly" he was injured, and in that state physically and emotionally(/psychically) corrupted and tainted. I completely believe that had not Erebus arrange his downfall(At least that's my understanding from the books), Horus would never have risen against his Father, the Emperor. I'd argue that being the result of Erebus' grand scheme by itself wouldn't have led to him turning, either. It was the double whammy of that, coupled with the isolation, pressure and frustration that was heaped on him by the Emperor suddenly deciding to return to Terra for no apparent reason, put the bureaucrats in charge and leave Horus to bring the galaxy to compliance by himself Particularly when parsing the Emperor telling him to 'make no mistake' as 'be perfect, like me, Horus!' rather than 'now, don't get me wrong'. We all know where a pursuit of perfection by certain Primarchs got us, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2337822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Brother Sargent Tiberius- Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 The Emperor was a bad leader? A bad leader? Heresy! I'd like to see you spend centuries uniting mankind, conquer half the galaxy, and organize billions of followers. The Emperor was tired from his accomplishments. He expelled religion because it was necessary to unite mankind seeing as religion is one of the most fought over topics since mankind could make pointy sticks. The Emperor had a great plan to unite the galaxy, and the trusted sons to get the job done. He trusted his primarchs with legions, and with the whole Imperium! I think the problem was that he expected too much from the primarchs. Although they were great, they weren't him. Horus was overwhelmed with the task as warmaster, and yet the Emperor overestimated him and thought he had the ability to run a campaign alone. The primarchs are still partly human and it is impossible for a human to conquer the galaxy alone. The Emperor did deny being a God before, even the average astartes knew that. The Emperor is the apex of mankind, but he is human and he can become tired. Why did he fall back to Terra again? Was it to work on the Golden throne? The chaos gods-The chaos gods are made by the emotions and traits of humanity. They are less gods and more manifestations of mans failings and hatred. So by that logic, if chaos did wipe out humanity, they too would be destroyed? Just a thought. -In the Emperor's name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195521-a-fathers-love/page/2/#findComment-2339158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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