sniperhavens Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 OK so I hate the idea of Space Marines riding big wolves, add that to the fact that I couldnt model a Lion for them to ride for my DIY chapter and you have a awesome unit thats hard to represent on the table. I was thinking about putting 2 models on 60mm Base wich would represent the 2 warriors being trained to fight as one their whole careers. It fits into my fluff perfectly as the chapter is heavily focused on the idea of brotherhood. That option can explain why they have 2 wounds and so many attacks and even the toughness since they would be protecting eachother. What I cant figure out is a way to rationalize the 12 inch charge range. I was thinking some kind of pack like warp spiders or a smaller version of the jump pack that would give them a quick speed burst on the charge. I need some opinions, is 2 models OK how to explain charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperhavens Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share Posted March 21, 2010 How important is it for tounaments that the models have smething that explains why they are fast? Do I have to have something that represents cavalry? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Sasha Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Love the idea, and kudos for coming up with a fluff justification for an alternative take. If 2 guys work that well in a pair, they could simply charge in to battle, confident that the other is watching their flank; have you seen the photo of the Death Cult Assassins in Codex:Witchhunters? Alternatively, why not give them a 2-man crank-operated train trolley like in old films? :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Does one warrior ride on the shoulders of the other? I'm in the camp of representing the cavalry unit type as a cavalry. At least have them ride some sort of animal.. or robot animal. Whatever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Here are some ideas: -Model some modifications onto their power armor that look like they could be used to increase speed (extra enhancements on the legs, maybe talons on the feet for traction, perhaps even some small thrusters built into the backpacks or the pauldrons). This explains the Fleet rule, and could be said to give them an extra boost on the charge. -Put them on a Space Marine Bike, modified for two people (think an elongated motorcycle, not a bike with a sidecar). You could say that the extra passenger's weigh requires them to remove the bolters and slows the bike slightly for movement (hence Fleet instead of a 12 inch move), but they can still do a mini "turbo-boost" when charging. As to tournaments, I *suspect* that people won't care that much, as there kind of aren't official models for TWC (other than Canis). Perhaps I'm wrong, though. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenger Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 each has double bionic legs, like the ork character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 This is one of the better ideas i have heard, and depending on whether or not GW release TWC models I might give it a try (I agree that guys running around on big wolves is silly), after finding out that TWC work well with my army set. this might be a good excuse for something like a dirt bike, or something like a jump jet from Mechwarrior, or Something like a thruster pack from a Gundam? the biggest problem i see with this idea is they are supposed to be giant, so representing that might be hard, at least is in my mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 The only other I know who have some cool modefications done besides the six million dollar man: (Look further down on the logo for the leg enchantment) http://www.sc2armory.com/game/protoss/units/zealot I don't liker you idea that ,utch but if you are gonne do it, do it in style. ;) Also you would need to model something for the exstra toughnes, str and rending. I would perhaps suggest cybor enginered wulven? <_< Make them ekstra tall with realy big robotic boost boots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Personally I was thinking about forgetting the Marine entirely and just modeling very big, heavily armored Wolves with extra claws or whatever where needed. After all in my opinion: Marines riding Wolves = Dumb Giant Wolves wreaking carnage = Awesome Now a model is another matter... maybe base them off the Lions from the Fantasy High Elf Chariot... hmm... the Wolves on the cover of Prospero Burns looked a bit like shaggy lions... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlSkaven Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I'm also really thinking of buying and heavily modifying a unit of new minotaurs to be used as TWC... Lots of greenstuff to do on that!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I don't agree with the hate against TWC as they are (I mean, come on, the 40k Universe has plenty of other things that are more ridiculous (see: Ork technology, Binary as a spoken language, and giant semi-sentient robots the size of small cities with firepower sufficient to conquer entire planets)). That said, I do like the idea of souped-up Wulfen for TWC. Toss on some augmentations to increase their strength (and maybe even help control/direct them), and you'd have yourself a nasty cyber-werewolf (lion?) ready to do some murdering. I don't know if your leonine chapter has any equivalent to Wulfen in its background, but they could fill this role and be large enough to stand-in for TWC in gameplay terms (the bike suggestions could also do this. Alternatively, just have one marine riding on the other's shoulders. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyPrawny Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I like the idea of a quad bike which I might do for an iron priest ot for normal cav just a big wolf. Think of it like a tyranid herodule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Ill stick with Horses, available and doable what else do you want more. But who said they have to be on 60 mm bases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Personally I was thinking about forgetting the Marine entirely and just modeling very big, heavily armored Wolves with extra claws or whatever where needed. After all in my opinion: Marines riding Wolves = Dumb Giant Wolves wreaking carnage = Awesome Now a model is another matter... maybe base them off the Lions from the Fantasy High Elf Chariot... hmm... the Wolves on the cover of Prospero Burns looked a bit like shaggy lions... It is not dumn. The original model looks pretty cool: http://space-wolves-grey.blogspot.com/ To bad I did not have that to aim after before I did mine. And space marines from an Ice planet with mutated predators should not ride around on horses spacefician IMHO. Mutated wolves (like all fenrisian wolves are) make mutch more sence. And they are cybernetic. It's not like they sadle up a regular terra wolf. I also think the 60mm base comes from the FAQ or it was an open letter to Games Workshop witch they awsered. Canis also uses a 60mm base, and regular wolves use 40mm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 i could ignore it as a cool but imo not great way of making individual heores stand out, but for them to have put in a whole unit of Wolfy McWolfFace and hs giant Wolf McGrowl was a bit stupid. I'm not saying they aren't hard, but i really don't think a sligtly modified wolf could support the weight of a marine. full on crybernetic wolves, like the conversion that guy did in your link would have been cool, but just replacing the odd limb on a wolf and going, 'yeah he can carry a 4 ton man around, no problems' is silly. however, with the baic rules set and profile, there are imo at least better ways to represent it. i personally like the idea of the two wolves and handler on a base. with regards to the 60mm base thing, canis comes on one and mny tournaments argue that ince canis is the only TWC model then they should all be on it. ask 3 GW employees and the will give yu 5 different answers depending on how much coffee and cake they've had that day. there was no mention in the faq about base sizes for either variety of wolf. the only thing i've seen with fenriian wolves was Phil Kelly's wolves in a WD where he put them on a 40mm base, but you can mount them on anything. Beasts have to my knowledge come on cavalry bases (rough riders) and 25mm bases (hormagaunts in the old nid dex) and i'm assuming a couple of the daemon units are cavalry/beasts and come on both 60mm and 40mm bases. to me use whichever fits the size of the model best, if its a old WHF goblin wolf then cavalry/bike base, if its larger maybe use 40mm base. thing is there is no definitive base size so you can do anything you want just be clear with your opponent what they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechSpacewulf Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Check out Magnusthetraitor, he nailed it and I have seen one using only one Wolf however this is the idea and if you put it on a Canis base then all is good... http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showuser=40795 and you can check out my gallery for the mrs velard russian wolf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 'yeah he can carry a 4 ton man around, no problems' is silly. Isnt 4 ton a bit steep? Id say a max of 1 ton, a Small mule can carry op to 200kg, so why cant a 3m high wolf carry a 1 ton marine about? There not wolves as on earth wolves, there an alien creature from Fenris that looks like a wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnusthetraitor Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 What folks often overlook when they request that Thunderwolf Cavalry should be represented as "cavalry" is that the rules for "beasts" are exactly the same! Thats the route I went for with mine. Thunderwolf Beasts with their own handlers. With that said, I really like the look of the modified juggernauts as TWC, I just don't have the hobby budget to build a whole unit (or two :lol:) of those! My conversions were mostly a matter of "whats in the bitz box?" A previous version had an attack bike with the guns stripped off, and a crazed Blood Claw in the side car, modified to look like a chariot. I ran out of spare attack bikes, however. :tu: Magnus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2328986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Could we not just have a TWC Sticky with a list of links that give suggestions and pics of how various people are building their stuff? It might clear up some clutter and stop people having to put up threads that are recycled endlessly. Give me a day or two and I'll have some photos of what I'm doing btw. I have a pair of Dire wolves on each 60mm base with some terrain to make them taller in order to stop people accusing me of cheating by making them deliberately too small. I've no problem slapping people that accuse me of cheating but I really don't need the assault charges... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2329003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 'yeah he can carry a 4 ton man around, no problems' is silly. Isnt 4 ton a bit steep? Id say a max of 1 ton, a Small mule can carry op to 200kg, so why cant a 3m high wolf carry a 1 ton marine about? There not wolves as on earth wolves, there an alien creature from Fenris that looks like a wolf. To say nothing of the fact that this is the same universe which brings us such gems as Space Marines having the power to eat their dead foes to absorb their memories... Realism has never been much of a hindrance to awesome in 40k. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2329133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 i love the idea to tie it into the fluff you could have one in long fang colours and another in blood claw with teh long fnag guiding the blood claw like in the short story 12 wolves which i thought was really good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2329186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlSkaven Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Ok!!! I think I have a serious problem now.... I'm so driven to find Thunderwolves or count as...that I screwed two bikes tonight to try something... here it goes... http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Carl_YFZ/TW002.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Carl_YFZ/TW001.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Carl_YFZ/TW003.jpg what do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2330170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyPrawny Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Could do with being a little more armoured for the S and T 5 factor but I really like it. I could see that gunning it into the enemy at full speed with the rider hacking and slashing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2330260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Ok!!! I think I have a serious problem now.... I'm so driven to find Thunderwolves or count as...that I screwed two bikes tonight to try something... here it goes... http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Carl_YFZ/TW002.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Carl_YFZ/TW001.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l98/Carl_YFZ/TW003.jpg what do you think? while i am not totally thrilled, as i think any thunderwolf cavalry counts as should have some type of cav in it (i have made ugly but passable twc out of HE war lions and lotsa putty) this is probably the best non-wolf counts as i have seen in this subforum. i would definetely try an bulk it out though. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2330292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=195614 My very much wip versions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195553-friggin-thunderwolf-cavalry/#findComment-2330314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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