Niiai Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Usualy I do not take a land raider. In the 1500 and 1750 point games I take I usuali find that a land raider just cost to mutch. The land raider in itself is not the problem but it is in realaty a huge transport since you get mutch more firepower out of 240+ points invested just about anywhere else in your army. The investment of the troops and landraider just take up to mutch of a cost, especialy with risk of it just getting destroued very eraly. However it just hit me that ouer best melle unit point wice (irion priest IMHO) is the perfect match for a landraider. It makes it go faster, and if it gets imobeliced you can repair it. Also the beasts are T5 so you get a unit with 4 power fists (3 or them str 6) and T5 and the landraider provides frag grenades for the charge. But what landraider do you think it best for it? I would think that the crusader would be better against hordes and MC's. The redeemer on the otherhand seems like it would be best sutet against marines. What do you sugest? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Crusaders- also great for large squads of bloodclaws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2330589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuclearMessiah Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I prefer the crusader since the hurricane bolters are a defensive weapon it allows it to fire more weapons on the move then its brethren. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2330631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 However it just hit me that ouer best melle unit point wice (irion priest IMHO) is the perfect match for a landraider. It makes it go faster, and if it gets imobeliced you can repair it. Also the beasts are T5 so you get a unit with 4 power fists (3 or them str 6) and T5 and the landraider provides frag grenades for the charge. Beasts?? Your not talking about Thunderwolves are you? I don't think they can be loaded into a Landraider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2330709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuclearMessiah Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 He is talking about cyberwolves and they can be loaded in a LR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2330736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Ah... thanks. The powerfist thing threw me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2331109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I dont know if this have been discussed, but I dont think you can load cybers into a Land Raider. In the basic rules, IIRC, beasts are not allowed to enter transports. Then there are special rules in the SW codex that says ICs can get fen wolves as wargear, and they may enter transports. Problem now is that the IP is not an IC, he is a "unit". So no IP in LR, I guess. I wanted to play that squad too, but when I had this discussion with a friend of mine we could see no way around it. So ragnar and GHs all the way for me, in LR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2331200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Considering that they so strongly encourage you to put an Iron Priest in a Transport AND explicitly allow normal Fenrisian Wolf companions to enter transports, though, this seems like a pretty clear conflict of RAI and RAW. I agree that you couldn't do this in a tournament, but I suspect most opponents would let you put an Iron Priest with a retinue of wolves in a Land Raider in a casual game, provided you asked first. It's nifty, but hardly gamebreakingly good. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2331264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Well, theres always servitors, and Id argue that cyberwolves are part of his wargear alotment, just like thralls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2331386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I dont know if this have been discussed, but I dont think you can load cybers into a Land Raider. In the basic rules, IIRC, beasts are not allowed to enter transports. Then there are special rules in the SW codex that says ICs can get fen wolves as wargear, and they may enter transports. Problem now is that the IP is not an IC, he is a "unit". So no IP in LR, I guess. I wanted to play that squad too, but when I had this discussion with a friend of mine we could see no way around it. So ragnar and GHs all the way for me, in LR. Don't have the codex right now but, i think there is a little section somewhere that says they count as two models for the purpose of transporting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2331410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted March 24, 2010 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 Yes it is if they are wargear. As the irion priest is put up they are part of the group and not wargear. It is a lose lose sitiuvation because they die if the priest dies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2331490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 So... if they die when the priest dies, in what way are they not acting like wargear? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2332310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 IP + 3 servitors + 3 cyberwolves in a LR + saga of the iron wolf is an interesting combo 2+ repair on the LR and the unit can hit hard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2332321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted March 24, 2010 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 So... if they die when the priest dies, in what way are they not acting like wargear? Well as it is written they are not wargear. They are part of the unit configuration. (Left colum under the entry of what the unit consists of.) Sadly they can not then use transports if I understand you correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2332361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 So... if they die when the priest dies, in what way are they not acting like wargear? Well as it is written they are not wargear. They are part of the unit configuration. (Left colum under the entry of what the unit consists of.) Sadly they can not then use transports if I understand you correctly. Its written just like the HQ "wargear" wolves are. Ragnar Blackmane may be accompanied by up to two fenrisan wolves.... Canis Wolfborn may be accompanied by up to two fenrisan wolves... The Iron Priest may be accompanied by up to four cyberwolves.... Id also note that the Entry in the Wargear section notes Cyberwolf as a type of Wargear, and that no other "character" in the army is capable of taking cyberwolves... wich would imply again that these are Wargear, not extra members of the unit. I think the intent is pretty clear, and the RAW not to obfuscated either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2332369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted March 24, 2010 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 Well, I do agree with you that it apears they RAI should be that way. Espescialy with the cyberwolf entry in the wargear section. However if you read on page 87 under unit composition irionpriest is listes as 1, and the srevitors and the cyberwolves as 0-3 and 0-4. Under the wolflord entry on page 84, ragnar on page 82, WGBL page 85 and the Lone Wolf page 88 they are listed as a single composition with the wolf's in the wargear section. However RAI it would be pretty obvius that the thrals where part of the unit and the cyberwolves are wargear. However that would lead to your oponent being abell to single them out in close combat. I do not know if the increased thoughnes would aply on the whole group or just the cyberwolves. (Acording to the FAQ your oponent can hit the original group, the IC (where that is the case) or the wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/195706-the-land-raider-dillema/#findComment-2332388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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