ZONKEY Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 can a comissar execute a inquisitor in fluff ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 can a comissar execute a inquisitor in fluff ? Legally, the answer is the same as "Can a Commissar execute the Emperor?". Even if you arrive at a "Yes" for that question, there is still the problem that the Commissariat has nothing at all to do with the Inquisition. It would be like getting IG grunts to police Primarchs. The Commissariat does not have universal jurisdiction. Frankly, they've got even less jurisdiction than the Adeptus Arbites due to regimental hierarchy. In practical terms, it all depends on whether the legal theory can be applied. If the Inquisitor in question is busy being possessed by a Greater Daemon, I don't think anybody will mind if a grunt Commissar takes action. If there isn't anything like that going on, I suspect the consequences for the Commissar will be similar to if he had shot the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2335237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZONKEY Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 what if the inquisitor has had dealing with daemons as in used a daemon host for his own means, can a sister of battle excute imperial guard or pysker or even adept should the need arise ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2335310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 what if the inquisitor has had dealing with daemons as in used a daemon host for his own means The Commissar might be able to get away with executing an Inquisitor if he had absolute, ironclad proof that the Inquisitor was corrupted, but even then it would be difficult because the Commissar would be massively overstepping their authority. While a Commissar can execute a traitorous Inquisitor with no problems, a Commissar has nothing close to the authority to declare an Inquisitor a traitor, and without indisputable evidence that the Inquisitor in question was a traitor the Commissar is going to die slowly and painfully. can a sister of battle excute imperial guard or pysker or even adept should the need arise? Legally, a simple Sister of Battle does not have the authority to execute Imperial Guard or just about anyone else unless she's carrying out orders from someone with enough rank to make that kind of decision. The same applies to psykers as well, but I imagine if the Psyker was being possessed by a Daemon or something of nature nobody would complain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2335331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 As far as Dark Heresy (The RPG, which is the assumption im going on as to your topic of disussion) goes, I would say sure, go ahead, should said Commisar have a wish to die by the most horrid, painful mutilation and "Inquisition" possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2335445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolf_nr Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 The Inquisition is held to a similar standard as the Judeo-Christian religions hold an Angel of God. A. Would you even think to execute and angel (assume you actually could)? It is a messenger from God, how would you know the difference between smiting the heathens and working for the devil? B. Would you be punished? Maybe. Were you right? Can anyone back up your story? As you can see, this is a bit of a sticky situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2335489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Remember, the Inquisition has authority over the Entire Imperium.. therefore they have absolute authority over anything in the Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy, which means a Commissar is lower ranked than the Inquisitor. Can a Space Marine Scout execute a Chapter Master of their own Chapter for being heretical? Technically.. but they may not live long :P It's the same situation. You better have a lot of proof and people willing to back you up, and even then it may not matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2335493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwitexansfan Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Another inquisitor will hardly ever dare to raise their hand against another inquisitor, so I doubt even the most passionate of commissars would dare attack an inquisitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2336479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Cain would just have Jurgen do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2336646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Cain would just have Jurgen do it. Ciaphas would only do that after making absolutely, 100% sure that his ass was covered anyway by getting orders from Amberley first. Of course, Cain's status as a Hero of the Imperium gives him a lot more credibility than the average Commissar, and his heavily implied relationship with Amberley means he would have at least one member of the Inquisition solidly backing him up. Other Commissar's don't have either of those advantages. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2336693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glsn Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 In game terms, couldn't a commissar execute an Inquisitor if he suffers a Perils of the Warp? Wouldn't pretty much the same thing happen in the fluff? I don't know, I've never read any that wasn't in a codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2339117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 In game terms, couldn't a commissar execute an Inquisitor if he suffers a Perils of the Warp? Wouldn't pretty much the same thing happen in the fluff? I don't know, I've never read any that wasn't in a codex. In game terms it would not happen because the "It's For Your Own Good!" rule specifically applies only to the Primaris Psyker in the IG Codex, not any psyker attached to the same unit as a Commissar. In terms of fluff Commissar executing an Inquisitor suffering from Perils could make possibly sense if it was one of the nastier results that Perils can represent; if the Inquisitor has been possessed by a Daemon then it's entirely possible that a Commissar might choose to the shoot the Inquisitor before the Daemon finishes taking over and goes on a massive killing spree. As for the consequences, it probably depends on whether or not the Commissar can provide indisputable evidence that the Inquisitor was possessed or otherwise an imminent threat. Given the nature of Daemonic possession and how restricted knowledge of the Warp is in the Imperium, the only people who would probably be in a position to back up the Commissar's story would be the Inquisitor's own retinue. If the Inquisitor's retinue backs the Commissar up then the Inquisition would probably spare the Commissar from any punishment, but otherwise the Commissar would be slowly and horribly tortured to death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2339199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glsn Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Apologies, I was remebering the old codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2339358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Apologies, I was remebering the old codex. The old codex has a similar setup; the "It's For Your Own Good" rule only applies to IG Sanctioned Psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2339886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Another inquisitor will hardly ever dare to raise their hand against another inquisitor Theres a whole game that says your wrong :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2341389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
- 7eAL - Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Another inquisitor will hardly ever dare to raise their hand against another inquisitor Theres a whole game that says your wrong :) They're not raising hands against each other. They're raising agents against each other. And what do agents know? It's all a game of natural selection - whoever has the best agents will have the best assistants, and the best agents survive perhaps in the hope of raising their own agents some day ... Besides ... it's not like they introduce themselves and exchange business cards before raising their hands against each other. Or they just rage and lose control. They just wake up the next day in the hospital, and it'll be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2341753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glsn Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I seem to remember a friend's inquisitor getting shot in the back of the head when he rolled boxcars. Maybe we screwed up the rules for that game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/196034-one-for-dark-heresy-but-need-sister-fluff-help/#findComment-2341777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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