ashrog Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 So I'm finishing reading Legion, and I found a passage that I found odd. When Alpharius is speaking to John Grammaticus, he says something along the lines of: "That is the closest to heresy that anyone has ever spoken in my presence." I was under the impression that the word "heresy" was religious terminology that got tacked on to these events later on. Or, in the year 30k, does "heresy" simply mean "anything that doesn't jibe with the Emperor"? What do you think: Did they call it "heresy" during the heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 So I'm finishing reading Legion, and I found a passage that I found odd. When Alpharius is speaking to John Grammaticus, he says something along the lines of: "That is the closest to heresy that anyone has ever spoken in my presence." I was under the impression that the word "heresy" was religious terminology that got tacked on to these events later on. Or, in the year 30k, does "heresy" simply mean "anything that doesn't jibe with the Emperor"? What do you think: Did they call it "heresy" during the heresy? Well to us "heresy" has purely religious connotations, but within the 40k universe it is anything that goes against the Imperial grain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2359259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I think it's just linked strongest to religion. Wikipedia talks about non-religious heresies and has a section on contemporary heresies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy The dictionary on my Mac says similar things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2359262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Yea it may siply be a evolution of the language. They do that with other words like augers. In 40k these are sensor systems but in the real world they are machines with screw like shafts used for moving things like grain or drilling holes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2360675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArgusPMC Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Aye, Heresy Pre-Divine Emperor is simply going against Imperial Rule - I think its apt as it was so ingrained to people that it was the 'only way' The thing I never got is how the Emperor never saw his ascencion coming? My degree is on Religious Studies, Theology and Ethics, and the way the literature describes Him Pre-Divinity sounds like he was already thought of in a divine way, just without SOME the words - the vast ontological difference between Him and EVERYTHING ELSE EVER surely begged this question?!?! Heresy here is a good example why! Sorry of at a tangent then :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2360786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorgars Servent Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I think Decent of Angels Covers the Subject In one of the middle Chapters after they Destroy the Knights of Lupus (Spl?) If you have it or can Borrow it its worth it for that! just dont take the rest of the book on face value! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2360802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronWinds Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 But in the context the AL used it... should't it have been treason. Thats what the whole thing was, it was treason. Its only a heresy when you put it in a religious context, or in a context containing radically different thought... at least IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2363745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 I think it only became a heresy after the Emperor got worshipped as a god all around.. now, the horus heresy is more catchy anyway then 'the horus rebellioin" :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2363973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 Yep, nowadays (well, in 41st M days) to say "Heresy!" is like saying "Good Morning". Anything can be heresy anyway, moreover all things Horus... In fact in HH books the term normally used is Horus' rebellion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2364069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 IIRC one of the early HH books have a discusion between an Astartes and a remeberancer or a archavist about how the word "heresy" also has a secular meaning IE going against the mainline doctrin, We already have cases of secular worship going on now just look at the cult of celebrity.. With many civilisations been alone in the dark so to say with five million years of old night and this guy turns up out of the blue and says "Hi I am here to bring back the light of Humanity" is it any wonder why he was worshipped from the start? and first post woo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2591795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Yea it may siply be a evolution of the language. They do that with other words like augers. In 40k these are sensor systems but in the real world they are machines with screw like shafts used for moving things like grain or drilling holes. Actually, the word used in 40k is "augur", not "auger", meaning a seer or prophet. More often, however, they use the word "auspex". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2591874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
'kharn!' :0 (dead) Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 thats a weird question but i reckon they would have called it the heresy in the first place it just sounds right :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2591883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
isilvra Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 in the 31st millennium the word heresy is interpreted as anything that goes against established dogma. In this case the idea of a secular human empire is the orthodox idea with any other view is considered heresy. I believe the librarian on the vengeful spirit explains it to Loken in Horus rising, can't remember his name though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2592068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICHD? Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Malcador, obviously completely misunderstanding the situation, refers to it as Horus' "Silly little rebellion". Good man, Malcador! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198076-heresy/#findComment-2592355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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