Favourite Primarch.

[valanus]

Just thinking about this, in the HH series so far who is your favourite Primarch and for what reasons? Also who is your least favourite and why?

Myself I did like the way Fulgrim was portrayed, never been a fan of the Emperor's children but was quite impressed with how the character was handled. I also liked Ferrus Manus even though he was only around briefly before getting his head taken off.

I liked Magnus and even Angron, more so in the Tales of Heresy short story as he finally some insight into his personality rather than his 'Hulk Smash!' persona.

Russ has been my least favourite so far but maybe because he is still a little one-dimensional and maybe prospero burns will fix that.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

favorites: corax and russ

why: corax from "Raven's Flight" was every inch a badass facewreaker while being slowly smoked out by the traitor forces. while stomping faces and punching through tanks (not exagerating here), he also had some very human thoughts and made it easy to connect with him.

russ: his is my primarch, so he gets fanboy points right there. and in the early books it is mentioned that Russ thought the remembrances should be given a rifle instead of a pen, and then the imperial army wont have manpower issues anymore...which is awesome. but the clincher came from "A Thousand Sons", from a observation from either ahriman or magnus, i forgot which, saying that while russ walked and talked like a fenrisian, his voice and tone had the undercurrent of a scholar in it. a double threat right there.

 

least: magnus and

Magnus: now i am probably going to catch rolled eyes and flak, and i am a russ fanboy, but i just think his character was poorly done in A Thousand Sons. His only face was either supreme arrogance or (as time went on and ahriman watched his closer) like a man with a guilty concience. there was no middle ground, or atleast none that i found, and thought that A D-B or abnett might be better suited for the various undercurrents in his mind.

Angron: We have had much more than a short story from his PoV, so there is time for this to change, but the disdain his brothers have for him is 100% true. i was thinking as i read the earlier books that maybe they were being harsh, and upping his moments of retardation and mindless slaughter, but once he became a commonly seen figure it was all apparently true. which sucks. every primarch took time to fall, and from what has been written about him so far its like he woke up one day, slaughtered a convent or orphanage (better than breakfast you see) and them decided to betray the emperor. I understand that he had major issues with the emperor, but so far he has been written as a khorne follower from the get go.

 

just my opinions all,

 

WLK

[valanus]

Still need to get hold of raven's flight, thanks for reminding me will check it out.

[calgar101]

Horus up until he falls. You cannot fault him until then, i can see why he was made Warmaster. I also liked Angron, especially in Fulgrim where he puts ord Edilon(spelling?) in his place:P I know he is not a Primarch but Khârn too simply for this, "Do not mistake our directness for stupidity".

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Still need to get hold of raven's flight, thanks for reminding me will check it out.

 

i hate the new audio book approach, heart of darkness and thunder from fenris are either poor or appalling (matters on my mood), but i absolutely love Raven's FLight.

 

WLK

[Ashe Darke]

I don't know, I've heard bits of Thunder From Fenris and it does hold a certain comedic value. The voice acting is less than good and the accents are just terrible. They sound like poor Arnie/Stallone/Van Damme impersonators.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I don't know, I've heard bits of Thunder From Fenris and it does hold a certain comedic value. The voice acting is less than good and the accents are just terrible. They sound like poor Arnie/Stallone/Van Damme impersonators.

 

comdeic value?

COMEDIC VALUE??

COMEDIC VALUE?!?!

 

by the All-Father's Golden Throne I shall smite you unto ruin!

 

yea, it was painful for me to hear at times.

 

WLK

[Clewz]

Favourite: Alpharius, ok I love Alpha legion but it just seemed he was more intelligent and had more depth than the others.

 

 

Least favourite: Lion el'johnson. Captain boring himself. His arrogance annoys me completely as well

[ultramarine of death]

favorite mangus and gulliman

mangus:cus i a thousand sons he just owns and i feel sorry for him cus of the stupid SPACE WOLVES

gulliman:not in many but is my primarch

leats favorite russ

cus he is stupid and makes the thousand sons go renagade

[Vissah]

Horus nuff said :)

[Piousservant]

I liked the portrayal of Ferrus Manus in Fulgrim and quite liked Magnus, but so far I think it definately has be Horus.

 

Though I really dislike Russ (in A Thousand Sons), I like the way they portrayed him. I'd much rather dislike him as a ruthless but hypocritical barbarian than like him as a beer swilling space viking.

 

Really, really disliked the portrayal of the Lion who was shown as a complete douche. Which is a shame because he is/was such a cool character.

[Mr. Sandbot]

LIke:

Corax

Russ

Angron

Alpharius

Horus

 

Dislike:

Magnus

Ferrus Manus

 

Corax is by far my favorite primarch of all time. I love his philosophy, his tactics, his style, and the way he was portrayed in Raven's Flight.

 

I'm on the opposite spectrum of Piousservant here. Russ is a favorite of mine just for his humor and beliefs. I hated his portrayal in A Thousand Sons, but the man gets drunk on a daily basis whilst swinging a sword made of ice. Sure the book didn't do justice to it, but you can't take that away from him either. Paired with his sharp tongue to match his fangs, and I start to like him more as that beer swilling space viking than some ruthless, war-mongering, hypocritical werewolf with rabid children.

 

Angron is great just because I see him as a tool for revealing the depth of his own legion more than anything else. (pre-heresy world eaters rock)

Alpharius seems like a level headed leader (refreshing break from the other primarchs), a believable character, and something about his sneaky underhandedness that tickles my fancy.

I don't know what to hate about Horus. I loved the character before he was corrupted and my only complaint with him is how I wish they would portray both his fall and how he was after the fall a little better.

 

hate:

I hate Magnus. I thoroughly enjoyed the character before A Thousand Sons. He was a martyr for trying to do good in a rather rash and half-baked way, but he was also the very epitome of Kantian moral ethics. I loved his philosophy and the way he ran his legion according to the Index Astartes. Then comes the book, and all of that is smashed into the dirt. I definitely agree with WLK on his poor portrayal. (I have more criticism but I've been whining way too much about this book lately)

Ferrus was portrayed as a whiny little brat of a primarch. Outside of his crazy glittering hands of death, I really didn't care for the character at all since he seemed like such a horrid leader of his men.

[Lord Tharand]

Fulgrim without a doubt has been my favorite in the HH so far. I thought his character was really well developed and he had some real depth which I enjoyed. His slow descent into being possessed and ultimately locked away in his own body is one of the biggest tragedies of the primarchs. Not only did the book show him as being super badass but he had real emotions and and loved both his father and brothers.

 

Dorn was my least favorite because he sort of acted like a tool when confronted with the truth of Horus' betrayal. I can understand being angry but a leader of men and armies shouldn't just start throttling a guy just because he didn't like the news. He acted very childish I think.

[Aqatone]

LIke:

Corax

Russ

Angron

Alpharius

Horus

 

Dislike:

Magnus

Ferrus Manus

 

Corax is by far my favorite primarch of all time. I love his philosophy, his tactics, his style, and the way he was portrayed in Raven's Flight.

 

I'm on the opposite spectrum of Piousservant here. Russ is a favorite of mine just for his humor and beliefs. I hated his portrayal in A Thousand Sons, but the man gets drunk on a daily basis whilst swinging a sword made of ice. Sure the book didn't do justice to it, but you can't take that away from him either. Paired with his sharp tongue to match his fangs, and I start to like him more as that beer swilling space viking than some ruthless, war-mongering, hypocritical werewolf with rabid children.

 

Angron is great just because I see him as a tool for revealing the depth of his own legion more than anything else. (pre-heresy world eaters rock)

Alpharius seems like a level headed leader (refreshing break from the other primarchs), a believable character, and something about his sneaky underhandedness that tickles my fancy.

I don't know what to hate about Horus. I loved the character before he was corrupted and my only complaint with him is how I wish they would portray both his fall and how he was after the fall a little better.

 

hate:

I hate Magnus. I thoroughly enjoyed the character before A Thousand Sons. He was a martyr for trying to do good in a rather rash and half-baked way, but he was also the very epitome of Kantian moral ethics. I loved his philosophy and the way he ran his legion according to the Index Astartes. Then comes the book, and all of that is smashed into the dirt. I definitely agree with WLK on his poor portrayal. (I have more criticism but I've been whining way too much about this book lately)

Ferrus was portrayed as a whiny little brat of a primarch. Outside of his crazy glittering hands of death, I really didn't care for the character at all since he seemed like such a horrid leader of his men.

 

This.

 

Odd that the two primarchs we don't like were written by the same person. You could throw Fulgrim in there too, zing.

[Skirax]

Horus. Both Loyal and Traitor.

[Rorschach]

My favorite primarch hasn't shown up yet. When he does, Dorn is getting it. Up until that day, the Urizen.

 

Also, is it only me that truly, deeply despise Leman Russ after Graham McNeill butchered him? After I read A Thousand Sons, I lost absolutely every ounce of respect (granted, it was never much in the first place) for the character, but the now canonical version of Russ presented in this book... truly disappointing. McNeill manages to create the biggest crybaby of all the primarchs, an arrogant, single-minded and egotistical being so centered around his own navel that it's a parody - the perfect image of the Crimson King. And then, we get Russ. A wanton bully, the schoolyard lunchmoney thief, making Angron appear like an intelligent and reflective being in comparison. 0/10, Mr. McNeill. You ruined Russ.

[Imperialis_Dominatus]

The answer is always Sanguinius.

[hazardousZERO]

My Favorite is Angron because of his blood lust. My 2nd is mannus hes loyal to the core and doesn't need but his hands to bring death.

[Ashe Darke]

Also, is it only me that truly, deeply despise Leman Russ after Graham McNeill butchered him? After I read A Thousand Sons, I lost absolutely every ounce of respect (granted, it was never much in the first place) for the character, but the now canonical version of Russ presented in this book... truly disappointing. McNeill manages to create the biggest crybaby of all the primarchs, an arrogant, single-minded and egotistical being so centered around his own navel that it's a parody - the perfect image of the Crimson King. And then, we get Russ. A wanton bully, the schoolyard lunchmoney thief, making Angron appear like an intelligent and reflective being in comparison. 0/10, Mr. McNeill. You ruined Russ.

Yeah that put me off him and anyone who said they liked him. I've never been a fan of the whole machismo 'I AM A MAAAAN!' thing which he seems to ooze. There is no restraint, no thought process, just reactions and I can't bring myself to respect that. The only instance of SW's I've liked are the ones from Wolf At The Door by Mike Lee. They showed calculated aggression, showing that they were more than just barbarian marines. They kicked some serious behind in that story.

 

The thing I cling on to is the fact that this was told from the TS's perspective which would of course show him in that overly aggressive stance as it is biased by their own opinions. I think this was the impression were were supposed to get so at least he got that right. So I'm hoping that Russ from their POV won't be the same Russ in Thousand Sons, and that he will show more depth and prove he's got a brain

[Rorschach]

The thing I cling on to is the fact that this was told from the TS's perspective which would of course show him in that overly aggressive stance as it is biased by their own opinions. I think this was the impression were were supposed to get so at least he got that right. So I'm hoping that Russ from their POV won't be the same Russ in Thousand Sons, and that he will show more depth and prove he's got a brain.

Aye, this is an important point. I have no doubts that Abnett will flesh out Russ more, and deeply needed so.

 

The thing about Russ though, A Thousand Sons doesn't necessarily portray Magnus as a particularily likable character either. He's selfish, brutal, a glory-hog and as we later discover, quite insane. The image of Russ, however, is well in tune with the already existing SW fluff - from the ridiculous episode with the beer and the Emperor's power fist in that pretend saga in the IA, the fact that SW are in many ways as tainted in their seed as the 1KS (growing fur and tails instead of extra limbs and eyes still makes you a mutant) and utilizing the same psychic abilities that they condemn the 1KS for - you'd even argue that they are as heretical (perhaps even moreso, as the 1KS with the exception of Magnus remain loyal to the end) with their superstitions and pendants, placing worship in other sources of power than Him. And, of course, the fact that your average Space Wolf is clinically insane.

 

All these things are well document in SW lore long before A Thousand Sons, and serves to undermine the image of the Wolf King as he is presented. Again, I hope Abnett adds more depth to the character. But I kind of doubt it, seeing as the whole situation as it is presented is extremely grim and unfair. Every neutral citizen of Prospero falling to Space Wolf blades, every lost culture from the razing of their libraries, serves to undermine the Emperor's grave mistake in what is practically an exterminatus order on an innocent and untainted planet. Russ not asking questions, whether from hatred towards Magnus or his sorcerers, or sheer bloodthirst, makes him a weaker character.

[Brother_Kaelgrim]

While I liked Sanguinius and he remains one of my favorite primarchs, I think I have to say Horus.

 

Horus Rising was absolutely brilliant and really reveals WHY Horus was Warmaster. He is smart, he is cunning, and he is strong. I loved how he was portrayed. It makes him even more of a tragic case when we see what Horus could have been.

[Ashe Darke]

All these things are well document in SW lore long before A Thousand Sons, and serves to undermine the image of the Wolf King as he is presented. Again, I hope Abnett adds more depth to the character. But I kind of doubt it, seeing as the whole situation as it is presented is extremely grim and unfair. Every neutral citizen of Prospero falling to Space Wolf blades, every lost culture from the razing of their libraries, serves to undermine the Emperor's grave mistake in what is practically an exterminatus order on an innocent and untainted planet. Russ not asking questions, whether from hatred towards Magnus or his sorcerers, or sheer bloodthirst, makes him a weaker character.

 

I imagine we will see them get manipulated into it by Horus and Valdor though with a fair amount being about how they were tricked into following their path, and with someone like Russ I imagine once he is set on a path he isn't going to stop.

 

As for my favourite, a lot of my friends think that because I play Death Guard that I think Mortarion is my favourite. He's kinda cool in that he never properly sucked up to the Emperor but that's not enough.

 

I like Magnus for his psychic prowess but that's about it.

 

Alpharius is cool but until I know more I don't think I can make decision about him although parts of their doctrines I can relate to more than I can with the others. Pragmatism etc.

 

I'm gonna have to say Curze, his character is so interesting and complex. There is something very unique about him that when I first read about him in IA I was like 'Yeah, this guy is by far one of the more interesting guys'. And he lets himself be killed just to prove he is right as 'death is nothing compared to vindication'. He's not been in yet but when he does turn up, awhhhh yeah.

[Brother_Kaelgrim]

I have to say I love Curze as well, I mean he is the Batman Primarch for crying out loud.

[Mr. Sandbot]

Also, is it only me that truly, deeply despise Leman Russ after Graham McNeill butchered him? After I read A Thousand Sons, I lost absolutely every ounce of respect (granted, it was never much in the first place) for the character, but the now canonical version of Russ presented in this book... truly disappointing. McNeill manages to create the biggest crybaby of all the primarchs, an arrogant, single-minded and egotistical being so centered around his own navel that it's a parody - the perfect image of the Crimson King. And then, we get Russ. A wanton bully, the schoolyard lunchmoney thief, making Angron appear like an intelligent and reflective being in comparison. 0/10, Mr. McNeill. You ruined Russ.

Yeah that put me off him and anyone who said they liked him. I've never been a fan of the whole machismo 'I AM A MAAAAN!' thing which he seems to ooze. There is no restraint, no thought process, just reactions and I can't bring myself to respect that. The only instance of SW's I've liked are the ones from Wolf At The Door by Mike Lee. They showed calculated aggression, showing that they were more than just barbarian marines. They kicked some serious behind in that story.

 

The thing I cling on to is the fact that this was told from the TS's perspective which would of course show him in that overly aggressive stance as it is biased by their own opinions. I think this was the impression were were supposed to get so at least he got that right. So I'm hoping that Russ from their POV won't be the same Russ in Thousand Sons, and that he will show more depth and prove he's got a brain

 

Thats actually what I enjoy about him. There are times where Russ embodies the questionably "noble" spirit of a warrior class like the samurai or knights. its all about becoming the exemplar for the qualities we believe are in a warrior class. The problem is that there are of course going to be flaws with that. Afterall, you can't always fight wars with "honor" in mind and ultimately your dealing with the ugly situation of war. To intellectual, of course your going to look like a bully who wages war for no reason. On the other hand, the Wolves will see the Sons as guys who don't know when to sit down and get the job done. Russ and his legion are wonderful pieces of satire for such beliefs. Not to mention, out of all the primarchs, I enjoy his humor the most..

Argh, I do agree though that McNeil ruined Russ. I felt that he ruined Magnus even more though. I mean, at least with Russ he only ruined him for that one portrayal, not his entire background story (unlike for Magnus).

... I still love the Thousand Sons legion though.

[Rorschach]

Thats actually what I enjoy about him. There are times where Russ embodies the questionably "noble" spirit of a warrior class like the samurai or knights.

...wait, what.

 

There's no nobility in Russ, and as you put forth the comparison with samurai and knights, there is certainly no mercy in him. Russ is a juggernaught, the only thing that will stop him is a lack of targets to slaugther. I'd rather compare him with Norse vikings or Celtic barbarians, tribal warriors that will stop for nothing in the eyes of victory. I'd much rather compare the samurai with Vulkan, and the knight with Dorn.