Favourite Primarch.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

@brother tyrax: nothing to be angry about, you just have a diferent desire of 40k than I and many other Wolves do.

 

The only thing i would point out is your view of Vikings seems to be overly sterotypical, and there was alot more to their culture than "Kill Maim Burn"

 

WLK

[Monstra Sumus]

Oh, I know there was alot more to their peoples than the simple mantra of ' Kill, Maim, Burn. '

I'm just saying that they outwardly appeared very savage and barbaric to the other more sophisticated or 'cultured' peoples of Europe, I'm aware of how deep the Scandinavian mythos is and how diverse and varied the cultures of northern europe were, i'm just going on the comparison of what those being raided by the Vikings would draw about them.

 

Much how the Thousand Sons view them and i'm extremely sure that in Abnetts book the Wolves will view the TS as stiff lipped arrogant arses.

 

I just prefer the mysterious savage aspect of the Space Wolves to the more 'traditional' 40k beardy warriors.

 

But each to their own I guess!

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Oh, I know there was alot more to their peoples than the simple mantra of ' Kill, Maim, Burn. '

I'm just saying that they outwardly appeared very savage and barbaric to the other more sophisticated or 'cultured' peoples of Europe, I'm aware of how deep the Scandinavian mythos is and how diverse and varied the cultures of northern europe were, i'm just going on the comparison of what those being raided by the Vikings would draw about them.

 

Much how the Thousand Sons view them and i'm extremely sure that in Abnetts book the Wolves will view the TS as stiff lipped arrogant arses.

 

I just prefer the mysterious savage aspect of the Space Wolves to the more 'traditional' 40k beardy warriors.

 

But each to their own I guess!

 

even that is a problem as the "cultured" peoples of Europe were anything but...and that is a whole debate!

 

but yes, each to their own.

 

WLK

[Monstra Sumus]

Oh, I know there was alot more to their peoples than the simple mantra of ' Kill, Maim, Burn. '

I'm just saying that they outwardly appeared very savage and barbaric to the other more sophisticated or 'cultured' peoples of Europe, I'm aware of how deep the Scandinavian mythos is and how diverse and varied the cultures of northern europe were, i'm just going on the comparison of what those being raided by the Vikings would draw about them.

 

Much how the Thousand Sons view them and i'm extremely sure that in Abnetts book the Wolves will view the TS as stiff lipped arrogant arses.

 

I just prefer the mysterious savage aspect of the Space Wolves to the more 'traditional' 40k beardy warriors.

 

But each to their own I guess!

 

even that is a problem as the "cultured" peoples of Europe were anything but...and that is a whole debate!

 

but yes, each to their own.

 

WLK

 

Hence why I said 'cultured' and not cultured. :D

 

But back onto the Topics central point, where the hell is the Vulkan love? He appeared for a few chapters then got stepped on. What the hell?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

very very true.

 

and has Vulkan really appeared much here in the HH series.

Raven's Flight has mention of him cursing Corax as he fled the Landing Zone of the Dropsite Massacre, but i dont recall more than that.

 

WLK

[Monstra Sumus]

I think he's appeared for a slip of time twice then.

 

Once as you say in Ravens Flight and which ever Heresy book covers the Dropsite Massacre. He runs around then gets stepped on.

 

I was thinking, the Salamanders being one of the Legions, they would atleast get a bit more of an appearance.

[Candleshoes]

@Tyrax

 

I really enjoyed your original post about the Wolves, and it echoes my thoughts about them exactly.

 

On a side note, your comment about the Blood Angels being "Golden Space Lestats" in the new codex is a little over the top. Sanguinius wore many faces when dealing with politics, war, and his fellow Primarchs. His portrayl in Horus Rising deffinetly shows he is fully capable of compassion, to those both his equal and those beneath him. One might say, he truly cares. What is truly terrifying is what lurks beneath, like you mentioned, just how limitless his rage can be when given cause to fight, what he would be capable of doing without pity, remorse or a second thought.

 

I think the codex (especially the renissance and baroque-like artwork by A. Smith) shows the parent chapter as one extreme end of the blood angels spectrum (as well as Sanguinuis' personality). The feirce pride, nobility, the struggle to always keep control, these are not things that all of the successors embrace. The parent chapter tries to rise above their father's rage (but has no qualms about unleashing it) and that struggle takes its toll. The ostentacious gold tinged armor, the newly placed elegance/prettyness can be summed up in one quote. "I have no need to hide from my foes. My colors I wear openly, they proclaim louder than any words, "I am proud to live, I am proud to die."

 

Within this, lies the opposite end of Sanguinius' personality, the sheer brutality and bloodlust that knows no moral bounds. Death is the only thing asked to be accountable. It's not neat, it's not pretty, but the effectivness is beyond doubt. Here is the realm of the Flesh Tearers (Blood Drinkers, Flesh Eaters etc). They hold just as important traits, as do the Blood Angels, a fragment of their ideal image of their father. Of course there is everything in-between these extremes.

[Monstra Sumus]

@ Candleshoes

 

 

I appreciate the reply fella!

 

I suppose its just my love for the more Grimdark aspect of the Astartes, the over tooled essence of their armour doesn't do it for me, but thats just me.

 

A knight is a sword, a tool of death and destruction, a knight with bows and ornament, is a pretty sword, but is for the same purpose.

 

Then again, I am going to shamelessly buy the Deathcompany kit repeatedly, so I can be acussed of hypocracy in that respect. Its the rest of it that doesn't appeal to me, all the things behind the Sanguinary items and fluff.

[Walter Payton]

Has Guilliman even appeared in the Horus Heresy books yet?

 

I'm on it.

 

Fan-tastic! My favourite author is doing my favourite chapter! Courage and Honour, Aaronus Dembsci Bowdenus!

 

PS: I know Dembski has a 'k' in it, but the Roman's didn't use 'k' very often...

[Walter Payton]

Has Guilliman even appeared in the Horus Heresy books yet?

 

I'm on it.

 

Fan-tastic! My favourite author is doing my favourite chapter! Courage and Honour, Aaronus Dembsci Bowdenus!

 

PS: I know Dembski has a 'k' in it, but the Roman's didn't use 'k' very often...

[Legatus]

Fan-tastic! My favourite author is doing my favourite chapter!

Well, he is doing the Legion that hates your favourite Legion with a passion. So because of that alone your favourite Legion will be mentioned. ;)

[Walter Payton]

Fan-tastic! My favourite author is doing my favourite chapter!

Well, he is doing the Legion that hates your favourite Legion with a passion. So because of that alone your favourite Legion will be mentioned. ;)

 

Awww. I was all excited there.

[Legatus]

Perhaps GW has not decided who gets to do the Ultramarines yet (please not McNeill...). There is still hope.

[A D-B]

Fan-tastic! My favourite author is doing my favourite chapter!

Well, he is doing the Legion that hates your favourite Legion with a passion. So because of that alone your favourite Legion will be mentioned. ;)

 

Awww. I was all excited there.

 

Guilliman shows up at a very, very key moment, right at the start. While The First Heretic is from a Word Bearer point of view (and humans faithful to what the Word Bearers preach), I have zero interest in making any primarch look weak or foolish - although obviously Lorgar has his moments of being less than "perfectly in control" of his emotions...

 

But Guilliman comes across with the dignity and commanding presence you'd expect of him. (I hope). I'm a firm believer that all the Legions should be things to fear, for various reasons, and have distinct flavours. Even if it's just a cameo, I don't want any Legion to be disrespected or made to look awful just because the novel is about the Word Bearers.

[Legatus]

Sounds promising.

[Brother Sergeant Scarus]

Fan-tastic! My favourite author is doing my favourite chapter!

Well, he is doing the Legion that hates your favourite Legion with a passion. So because of that alone your favourite Legion will be mentioned. ;)

 

Awww. I was all excited there.

 

Guilliman shows up at a very, very key moment, right at the start. While The First Heretic is from a Word Bearer point of view (and humans faithful to what the Word Bearers preach), I have zero interest in making any primarch look weak or foolish - although obviously Lorgar has his moments of being less than "perfectly in control" of his emotions...

 

But Guilliman comes across with the dignity and commanding presence you'd expect of him. (I hope). I'm a firm believer that all the Legions should be things to fear, for various reasons, and have distinct flavours. Even if it's just a cameo, I don't want any Legion to be disrespected or made to look awful just because the novel is about the Word Bearers.

 

 

*Applauds*

 

Can't wait.

[Artein]

I always liked Night Haunter. He's still probably my favourite Primarch.

 

But after a few HH books I've read I really, really love Dorn. We need Imperial Fists HH-novel.

 

Oh, and Alpharius Omegon. Awesomeness.

[Walter Payton]

I always liked Night Haunter. He's still probably my favourite Primarch.

 

But after a few HH books I've read I really, really love Dorn. We need Imperial Fists HH-novel.

 

Oh, and Alpharius Omegon. Awesomeness.

 

Well, the BA have a Signus Prime novel incoming, so I think, and hope, that the Siege of Terra will be the IF's time to shine!

 

For dream authors, Bill King or Iain Watson.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

My favorite to date has to be Alpharius Omegon. Aside from the shock value inherit in the fact that there were actually 21 Primarchs, he is, as previously pointed out, the one who had the greatest requirement to adapt and overcome upon being united with the Emperor. Sharpness of mind aside, he has my respect solely because of the open structure that he/they fostered in the Alpha Legion -- not only amongst the Astartes but also amongst their agents. The rest of the Primarchs seem to have an us-vs-them mentality, where their Legion is the best and anyone who is not an Imperial Fist/Space Wolf/Luna Wolf/Emperor's Child, etc was somewhat at least a half-step lower on the scale. The Alphas allowed open and free discourse on tactics, politics, and philosophy between their human agents, battle-brothers, and even the Primarchs. If two heads are better than one, what could be better than ten thousand heads working together? Which, incidentally, is the perfect argument for the hydra symbol.

 

But on less esoteric matters, consider this. The Cabal is an organization of psykers. They're all a bunch of xenos, but every member is capable far-sight in some form and pool their technology, resources, and individual powers into creating the Acuity -- the single greatest scrying device ever, period, hands down. Yet even though they could all the details of the history of things to come, they were not able to see that Alpharius Omegon would out-think and out-plan them all. That takes a special kind of mind, one capable of not just seeing, but understanding that every single wheel has another one turning within it in the opposite direction.

[Gunslinger87]

Fan-tastic! My favourite author is doing my favourite chapter!

Well, he is doing the Legion that hates your favourite Legion with a passion. So because of that alone your favourite Legion will be mentioned. :)

 

Awww. I was all excited there.

 

Guilliman shows up at a very, very key moment, right at the start. While The First Heretic is from a Word Bearer point of view (and humans faithful to what the Word Bearers preach), I have zero interest in making any primarch look weak or foolish - although obviously Lorgar has his moments of being less than "perfectly in control" of his emotions...

 

But Guilliman comes across with the dignity and commanding presence you'd expect of him. (I hope). I'm a firm believer that all the Legions should be things to fear, for various reasons, and have distinct flavours. Even if it's just a cameo, I don't want any Legion to be disrespected or made to look awful just because the novel is about the Word Bearers.

 

 

*Applauds*

 

Can't wait.

 

I second that. It will be nice to see a little more of Roboute, though I'm guessing his time will come with the Horus Heresy follow up books. (By which I mean post seige of Terra.) A long time away and I doubt they will be jumping ahead of Horus' death.

 

All of the primarchs so far have been well written. The case being that it is quite hard to write cca. 20 characters (including the Emperor, Malcador, Valdore and others) that are even more larger than life than regular 40k characters while still keeping them unique and interersting.

 

My favourite so far is probably Fulgrim (Horus would be an easy choice) but Fulgrim's fall to chaos was simply amazing.

 

Only one I don't like much is the Lion... though I guess that is the point. They're trying to make us see the better side of the traitor primarchs, but seeing as 30K is so "shades of gray" I think we still have a few surprises ahead of us.

[Ubermensch Commander]

Fan-tastic! My favourite author is doing my favourite chapter!

Well, he is doing the Legion that hates your favourite Legion with a passion. So because of that alone your favourite Legion will be mentioned. ;)

 

Awww. I was all excited there.

 

Guilliman shows up at a very, very key moment, right at the start. While The First Heretic is from a Word Bearer point of view (and humans faithful to what the Word Bearers preach), I have zero interest in making any primarch look weak or foolish - although obviously Lorgar has his moments of being less than "perfectly in control" of his emotions...

 

But Guilliman comes across with the dignity and commanding presence you'd expect of him. (I hope). I'm a firm believer that all the Legions should be things to fear, for various reasons, and have distinct flavours. Even if it's just a cameo, I don't want any Legion to be disrespected or made to look awful just because the novel is about the Word Bearers.

 

*applauds* Well said, sir, well said.

[c-wrex]

Vulkan love? I has it.

 

Let me paint you a picture, a scene for your mind to wind through.

 

Across the galaxy, on every world, every moon, every damned rock forcibly tamed and struggled against by the hands of men, life abounds. Humanity, in numbers vast and uncountable. Humanity, in hordes tired, weary, and defiant. In villas, palaces, hovels and huts. Human life, daily snuffed out by catastrophes, mundane and spectacular. Humanity, dying in trickles, streams, and floods. Humanity, courageous and bold, but weak and few. Struggle and effort define every day. The bitter triumphs of endless hours of labor. The worth of a man-his sweat and blood. The wages of man-another day to live.

 

On such a world as humanity fights to master, endless volcanism and ceaseless tectonic upheaval wrack the world in violence. The earth tremors, the mountains shake a crumble, magma-heart's blood of the world-flows along as would a river, or blasts into the sky, a bloody, burning spout of land's turmoil. The sky is choked with the ash and debris of limitless eruptions, the ground rumbles as it spits, sucking in the unwary and prepared alike. We are vigilant.

 

Fierce beasts haunt the wastes, dragons of scale and slaughter, fire and fury. Stray to near, or find yourself in the wrong path, and you will surely die to these creatures, your last experience the crunching sound of your bones as armored jaws shear your body in half. We are careful.

 

But for all of its peril, this world has a secret for the wise: vast mineral riches, such as would make a pauper into a prince. Tribes of men and women wind across the world, seeking to avoid the regions of greatest danger and find the sites of most reward. We search.

 

On a world of fire and ash, gold and diamond will not soothe parched throats or mend torn fabric, but the trade of such valuable substances will mean food, and water, and the basic supplies necessary to survive the dangerous wastes, and ensure the prosper of the clan. We thrive.

 

And so the people scavenge, every day, for what will make life just a fraction (but oh, what a blessed fraction!) easier. We endure.

 

Life goes on. And then they show up. We watch.

 

Wicked monsters of spikes and blades, poisons and shadows. They come to steal what these people strain and die for. And they get what they came for. As well as slaves. Human slaves. Alien invaders, with a vast technological superiority, stealing our brothers and sisters, our cousins, our flesh and blood. And nothing can be done about it. We despair. We die.

 

Years pass. Life goes on as always, with one eye always watching for the nightmares of shadows and blades to return and sow terror. And then, a second visitor arrives. His arrival sunders continents. A smith goes to retrieve the boy (a mere boy, the source of this mysterious event?) and raises him as his own offspring. The smith names his new son Vulkan. We learn. He learns. Fast.

 

In a few years his knowledge surpasses the most elder and senior of our number. He even helps us to redefine our arts, and shows us how to realize our own potential. He grows strong and wise, and tall. Huge sums him up best. Our years with him are our most prosperous ever. A glint of a new future begins to shine through the ash, a whisper of prosperity and potential. And then they return.

 

We try to hide. Over the generations of raids and attacks, we learn best how to avoid their dangers. Someone cries out, our leader, he remains exposed! We call to him. Run! run and hide, and they will not find you! He stands resolute, his smiths' face and hammers unwavering. A hush descends on the tribe as the raiders approach, not even bothering to hide from the giant who stands between us and them. We wonder what will happen next.

 

Words are spoken, we do not hear them. With bated breath we watch our brave leader take a step towards the monsters. They jeer and sneer and spread out to attack. He stands firm, unwavering, not even a bead of sweat betraying the fear the beasts had hoped to cause. He stands. They charge. We...

 

And then it is over, with raw terror on their lips the aliens run screaming back to the hell they have come from. Several of their number lay broken, strewn all over the encampment. Their bodies pulverised into paste by the strength of our lord's back and arms. He has moved no more than ten paces, while the corpses of the foe are hurled everywhere. We see our future in his ways.

 

Vulkan. Our savior. Our protector. We admire, we are inspired, we will grow, and we will endure. In his name, we thrive.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Poetic, no doubt. Doesn't explain why Vulkan would not support Ferrus' drive into Horus' lines. With a little more effort on his part (and Corax's, for that matter), the Arch-Heretic never would have left the Istvaan system.

[/iron Hands rant]

 

In all seriousness, well done. Nicely put.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Poetic, no doubt. Doesn't explain why Vulkan would not support Ferrus' drive into Horus' lines. With a little more effort on his part (and Corax's, for that matter), the Arch-Heretic never would have left the Istvaan system.

[/iron Hands rant]

 

In all seriousness, well done. Nicely put.

 

bwahahahahaha.

"support Ferrus's drive"? he was allowed into the traitors ranks, he rage blinding him to the very simple trap laid before him by fulgrim.

 

look at the two primarchs left, corax and vulkan. vulkan tried to take back the landing fields and ferry as many of the loyalist marines away as possible. to try and attempt that while surrounding by six traitor legions is mad, but heroic.

and corax's preferred method of warfare opposes such senseless static warfare. he even warned ferrus of the dangers of such a pitched battle, and was ignored.

the true ":P" goes to Dorn for putting such a tempermental Primarch in charge of this in the first place...

 

@c-rex: very nice, but to be honest, by changing very little of that i could get the upbringing of Russ, the Lion, and Fulgrim.

and according to Graham McSuck, apparently Magnus as well.

 

WLK

[Rain]

bwahahahahaha.

"support Ferrus's drive"? he was allowed into the traitors ranks, he rage blinding him to the very simple trap laid before him by fulgrim.

 

look at the two primarchs left, corax and vulkan. vulkan tried to take back the landing fields and ferry as many of the loyalist marines away as possible. to try and attempt that while surrounding by six traitor legions is mad, but heroic.

and corax's preferred method of warfare opposes such senseless static warfare. he even warned ferrus of the dangers of such a pitched battle, and was ignored.

the true ":P" goes to Dorn for putting such a tempermental Primarch in charge of this in the first place...

 

@c-rex: very nice, but to be honest, by changing very little of that i could get the upbringing of Russ, the Lion, and Fulgrim.

and according to Graham McSuck, apparently Magnus as well.

 

WLK

 

What? Do my ears deceive me? A Wolf backing down from a face to face fight? Say it isn't so. In all seriousness, Dorn himself was not exactly a "balanced fellow" and the whole idea of "Well, the legion of the Emperor's chosen son rebelled, as the one that calls itself his children, but surely the legion of psychotic rapists and those paranoid mass murderers that hate me will stand fast! Put them in the second line".