Favourite Primarch.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

bwahahahahaha.

"support Ferrus's drive"? he was allowed into the traitors ranks, he rage blinding him to the very simple trap laid before him by fulgrim.

 

look at the two primarchs left, corax and vulkan. vulkan tried to take back the landing fields and ferry as many of the loyalist marines away as possible. to try and attempt that while surrounding by six traitor legions is mad, but heroic.

and corax's preferred method of warfare opposes such senseless static warfare. he even warned ferrus of the dangers of such a pitched battle, and was ignored.

the true ":D" goes to Dorn for putting such a tempermental Primarch in charge of this in the first place...

 

@c-rex: very nice, but to be honest, by changing very little of that i could get the upbringing of Russ, the Lion, and Fulgrim.

and according to Graham McSuck, apparently Magnus as well.

 

WLK

 

What? Do my ears deceive me? A Wolf backing down from a face to face fight? Say it isn't so. In all seriousness, Dorn himself was not exactly a "balanced fellow" and the whole idea of "Well, the legion of the Emperor's chosen son rebelled, as the one that calls itself his children, but surely the legion of psychotic rapists and those paranoid mass murderers that hate me will stand fast! Put them in the second line".

 

there is a difference between a fight and a slaughter, and sometimes common sense or a small amount of battle tactics emerges...we arent khorne berzerkers or flesh tearers now... ;)

yea, i believe Dorn got the job as he was the closet primarch to the Emperor, not because he was the most qualified for the task. (this isnt a crack at Dorn, as i like him, but my observation).

of the loyalist Primarch, i would have placed Sanguinius in charge of the loyalist forces, or failing him, (and this pains me to say it) Guilliman.

-----My own beloved Russ probably has (probably) the respect of his brother Primarchs, but not the patience of dealing with the politics.

-----Dont know enough about Corax, but his preferred tactics are too sublte for the oncoming conflict.

-----Ferrus on the other hand is too blunt a instrument for waging this kind of war, against beings of equal or superior intelligence.

-----Vulkan is too...modest in my opinion, when some of the loyalists will need to be cracked down on hard.

-----The Lion has the tactics for war, but not the charisma or leadership skills for allies.

-----the Khan...i dont know enough about him to judge properly at the moment.

 

Sanguinius is the balance of martial strength, psychic power, charisma and sheer awesome to lead the loyalist Primarchs

Guilliman is selected not to any of his war skills, not to dismiss them, but due to his tactical/organizational skills. he would make a wonderful second on charge to Sanguinius.

 

WLK

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Just to clarify: I know that Ferrus was being a douche and letting his own emotions rule his tactics. I was trying to lighten the mood by parroting the Hands' party line about why they have no respect for Sallies and Raven Guard.

 

Moving along, I will back up WLK and point out that even Horus claimed that Sanguinius should have been Warmaster -- after he was wounded on Davin, before the lodge ceremony, when he thought he was dying and dictated to that snotty American remembrancer.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

Just to clarify: I know that Ferrus was being a douche and letting his own emotions rule his tactics. I was trying to lighten the mood by parroting the Hands' party line about why they have no respect for Sallies and Raven Guard.

 

Moving along, I will back up WLK and point out that even Horus claimed that Sanguinius should have been Warmaster -- after he was wounded on Davin, before the lodge ceremony, when he thought he was dying and dictated to that snotty American remembrancer.

 

oh, didnt know that. sarcasm doesnt travel well over net (though that rarely stops me!), and i have heard the echoed before in previous convos.

 

 

WLK

[Marshal Rohr]

WLK:....... :D

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

WLK:....... :D

 

 

you stay out of this, ya no good fanatic! :P

 

WLK

[Iron Father Ferrum]

S'all good, brother. We Iron Hands have a decent relationship with Space Wolves. Both value strength, come from tribal cultures on death worlds, etc. Now, if it had been a Salamander or Raven Guard player. . . . I might have blown a gasket. >=)

[Marshal Wilhelm]

WLK:....... :P

you stay out of this, ya no good fanatic! ;)

WLK

 

Don't worry Marshal2 Crusaders, Wolf Lord Kieran admitted to smoking the peace pipe in this thread; PUFF PUFF GOES THE WOLF

 

So just smile and nod your head, he'll come down soon and start making sense ^_^

[c-wrex]

Hey, Kieran aint getting off any clouds until we sit on the Golden Throne together ;) :)

 

And yeah I know it was kind of bland, and that it would fit most of the primarchs, but I had to show some Vulkan love. To be honest, I always saw Vulkan being the kind of primarch that would seek peace with an unknown race first if they would prove useful before resorting to crushing their faces so hard that their offspring will be born without colons. All I have to say about Vulkan is "Stop! Hammertime!"

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

one fanatic backing up another fanatic....this is going to go well. :lol:

 

and yea, Vulkan does seem to be one of the more level headed of the Primarchs. i hope when he gets a real appearance in the heresy novels he is done right...no nick kyme.

 

WLK

[Brother Emund]

Magnus the Red. Absolutely rock, totally loyal, but dreadfully misunderstood :lol:

[Lupe]

Okay, so he gets like a page of screen time, but it's so awesome and unexpected that I have to go with Perturabo.

 

Much to my surprise, Tales of Heresy actually puts Angron and Lorgar up there as contenders for the second spot.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Despite playing Wolves, Thousand Sons and Grey knights far more often then the Salamanders, I agree, bring on Vulkan in the Horus Heresy books, Personally I like Nick Kyme thought is stuff was okay, must admit I hated mr "Backstab" and the whole traitor within angle, tat went agains the Salamanders previous charecter, but apart from that, I liked it, Russ, even before "A Thousand Sons" I thought seemed to headstrong, Magnus, too arrogont.

Vulkan, the quit primarch, the one who had the best way of dealing with people, the one who unlike the others, could create as well as destroy,the humble primarch, who once angered, would make you very, very sorry.

Vulkan for Warmaster.

[Scribe]

Angron of course. 'After Desh'ea' was all the proof I needed that someone in this cold dark world actually agrees that there is some depth to the World Eaters and their Primarch.

[Priest33]

I rather liked Fulgrims character before he found that damn sword. He seemed like a decent primarch.

 

Ferrus seemed like a big dumb brute most of the time in comparison, tho I doubt that he was truely like this all the time.

 

Sanginus so far has impressed me but i need more info, Dorn has been interesting as well. Corax and Vulcan need more spot light as does Perturabo or Night Hunter. Alphaius has been great, lion seems like a arrogent man (disapointing really)

 

But my all time fav before he fell is Horus, (even if I cant stand how they wrote his fall, I mean really.. he saw through the whole thing as was like "oh ima fall anyway Hur!" stupid) he seemed like a great leader and everything one should strive for.

[Jarl Bloodwolf]

In my opinion I think all of the primarchs portrayed so far have been cool. Dorns quiet wisdom came through in his discussion with Loken, Sanguinious' attachment to his marines, the image of Angron leaping out of the back of a Stormraven and so on and so forth.

 

As far as my favorite I would have to say its Johnson so far.

 

And for my least favorite its Horus (he was a primarch after al). Don't get me wrong Horus was a really cool character when he was good and even when he was evil. But the transition period between being good and evil threw it off for me as it seems like he was always deppressed and winey. While this adds a bit of humanity to the character I didn't like it and thought it took away from the character.

[Marshal Traben]

Naturally the Father of my legion, Konrad Curze AKA '' Night Haunter''. Ave Dominvs Nox! :)

[Odsox]

I don't think any of them have really grabbed my attention just yet. I was rather taken with the wily portrayal of Corax in "Raven's Flight", especially his judicial use of a tactical withdrawal when he spots Angron heading his way.

 

I, like a lot of readers, am avidly waiting for Konrad Curze to show up.

 

(<.< And don't tell the Space Lemons... >.> ...but I'm really looking forward to him beating seven shades of scheiße out of Rogal Dorn.)

[Walter Payton]

He also only has a page of screen time, but AD-B got Roboute Guilliman just right for me.

 

He also only has a page of screen time, but AD-B got Roboute Guilliman just right for me.

[Gree]

My favourite Primarch? Probably Magnus.

 

Well that depends if we get a closer look at Guilliman or Kurze, but before a Thousand Sons Magnus was never really at the forefront. But after reading the novel I began to enjoy his character far more. McNeill presented a fascinating character with both strengths and flaws. I truely sympathised with his character. Magnus was like one of those Greek heroes in a Homeric drama. Noble and selfless but ultimately possesing a fatal flaw.

 

Really, after reading a Thousand Sons I gained far more appreiciation for their legion and primarch.

[Valtonis]

Favorite: Corax - Just because i like the Raven Guard, and their style of combat which comes from him, Second Fav is tied berween Dorn and Sanguinius - Dorn just seems to be a level-headed individual (plus the Black Templars) and Sanguinius is just the most likeable of all the Primarchs

 

Least Favorite: Fulgrim - prissy, narcissistic, egoistic and probably "fabulous" (not that there is anything wrong with it), Guilliman, another egotistical bastard that thinks he knows best.

caused to Imperium to stagnate and die a slow death

 

Best Fall: Can't say since there are some that hasn't really been explained

 

Worst Fall: Lorgar and Alpharius Omegon. one turned because his daddy scolded him and another because he believed some Xenos

 

Should Have Stayed Loyal: Magnus - he never wanted to turn anyway

 

Should Have Turned: Russ - fratboy, jerk. forced one of the most loyal Primarchs and Legions to turn

[Walter Payton]

)Guilliman, another egotistical bastard that thinks he knows best.

caused to Imperium to stagnate and die a slow death

 

As opposed to the Imperium flopping over like a drugged whale and dying a very quick death at the end of the Heresy.

[Legatus]

Guilliman, another egotistical bastard that thinks he knows best.

Which is why he included several of his brothers' tactics in the Codex Astartes, and why there were councils to decide how Space Marines would be regulated after the Heresy. Clearly the conduct of someone who disregards other people's talents and opinions.

[Walter Payton]

Should Have Turned: Russ - fratboy, jerk. forced one of the most loyal Primarchs and Legions to turn

 

That's wrong too.

 

It is not the good guys who hold the hostages. Horus forced the Sons to turn by deceiving Leman Russ. Chaos force them to turn by manipulating them, and ultimately the onus is on Magnus to prove his innocence, which he failed to even attempt. Russ obeyed a direct order from his superior and carried it out. He had no reason to believe that Horus was anything but loyal at that point. Ultimately, Horus, Tzeentch and the Chaos Powers were responsible, not Leman Russ.

[calgar101]

I agree with you Alecto after Guillimans cameo in The First Heretic extract well that made my 'love' of him soar even more.

[increaso]

Russ obeyed a direct order from his superior and carried it out.

 

I know that we are presently told that Horus tricked Russ, but it would be great, in my opinion, if Russ was simply a loose cannon that found Magnus's disobedience abhorrent and worthy of punishment.