Favourite Primarch.

[calgar101]

Well Russ and Magnus were gonna have another falling out. Russ did swear to it... So when told to bring Magnus back by the Emperor and then have his orders changed by Horus to attack Prospero well i think he relished the chance.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

just to say this, probably wasting time though:

 

Russ was ordered to Prospero. As the Emperor himself sanctioned this, he atatched both the Adeptus Custodes and the Sisters of Silence to aid Russ in bringing Magnus back to Terra. I think this alone is a decent sign that the Emperor knew some violence was about to be unleashed.

 

You dont send anti-psyker voids to peacefully bring in a Primarch who is based upon psychic abilities...I think more will be revealed in time. Which i cant wait for.

 

WLK

[calgar101]

agreed WLK, The Emperor must have suspected trouble to send a detacthment of his personal bodguards and the Sisters of Silence.

[Pirate Prince Arithus]

Konrad Curze, the man beat down rogal dorn with his bare hands.

[Kizzdougs]

just because the Emperor expected trouble dosen't mean he wanted it. The Emperor probably expected trouble from the Thousand sons, but if Russ had not of launched a fullscale assault things would have gone very differently ie. Magnus would have surrendered with out a fight.....Damn you Horus :)

Magnus was a vital figure in the Emperors grand plan. He was needed for the Golden Throne.

The last thing the Emperor wanted was magnus's death. I'm not saying a crippled or disabled Magnus would have been a problem, he was simply needed alive, kind of like the Emperor is now.

 

I like to believe Russ was ordered to capture Magnus by any means ie. the destruction of prospero. Then along comes the Warmaster and suggests that it would be a waste of time capturing the renegade.

 

Every body wanted Magnus on their side except Russ. Imagine if Russ had of returned Magnus to Terra. The Emperor would have been able to organise the Imperial response himself and take the battle to Horus.

[Walter Payton]

just because the Emperor expected trouble dosen't mean he wanted it. The Emperor probably expected trouble from the Thousand sons, but if Russ had not of launched a fullscale assault things would have gone very differently ie. Magnus would have surrendered with out a fight.....Damn you Horus :)

Magnus was a vital figure in the Emperors grand plan. He was needed for the Golden Throne.

The last thing the Emperor wanted was magnus's death. I'm not saying a crippled or disabled Magnus would have been a problem, he was simply needed alive, kind of like the Emperor is now.

 

I like to believe Russ was ordered to capture Magnus by any means ie. the destruction of prospero. Then along comes the Warmaster and suggests that it would be a waste of time capturing the renegade.

 

Every body wanted Magnus on their side except Russ. Imagine if Russ had of returned Magnus to Terra. The Emperor would have been able to organise the Imperial response himself and take the battle to Horus.

 

Don't forget the fact that Magnus elected to warn the Emperor by daemonic spell. Collected Visions effectively states that this was nothing more than an ego trip on Magnus's part, to 'prove' to his father that such a power could be used for good. This was both A: rather arrogant, and B: incalculably silly. Magnus screwed up on a colossal scale, placing Terra under direct attack by daemons.

 

And as much as Russ hated Magnus, I am not so sure that he would not have broken off his assault had the Sons surrendered. I doubt that Fenrisian honour looks kindly on the murder of enemies who have surrendered.

[Badaboom]

I´d say Rogal Dorn; more than once mentioned as the best militar mind of all Primarchs as wel as the most trustworthy. Too bad he seems to lack some sense of humor, but probably because he took on his duties and responsabilities very seriously. Also, his short appearances on the HH series made me think off him as a very human character, able to feel doubts, fear and despair, but strong enough to overcome them and endure.

 

Ah, and because we owe him the guys in black and white :)

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

My least favorite primarch has to be Russ. You get sent to capture your brother. Along the way, orders change to 'kill your brother'. Do you protest? No. Do you have any regret or sorrow? No. You take the mission joyfully. And you set out and destroy his entire world. Some brother you are. At least Horus had an excuse.

 

Favorite primarch? Well, I am a son of Lorgar. I do think the complaining about how he reacted badly when the Emperor, his father, who he worshipped, told him that he wasn't doing it right is overrated. But Corax is my favorite primarch. I've read only one description of him, but that was pretty awesome. Not Mary Sue awesome (I'm looking at you, Dorn, Sanguinus), but "I am worthy of the title Primarch" awesome. Which I have yet to come across in any of the other primarchs, who almost all just seem like souped up versions of their legions.

 

That sounds backwards, I know, because the Legions are supposed to emulate their primarchs, right? Still, it seems like it was the other way around for most of the Legions.

[Legatus]

Ah, and because we owe him the guys in black and white

People often disregard that you indirectly also owe them to Guilliman. Without him they would be yellow, and called "Imperial Fists". :)

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Ah, and because we owe him the guys in black and white

People often disregard that you indirectly also owe them to Guilliman. Without him they would be yellow, and called "Imperial Fists". ^_^

 

I considered making an argument about how the original "guys in black and white" were the Iron Hands and Raven Guard, but I'm not feeling particularly hawkish at the moment. But Legatus does make a good point.

[calgar101]

Ever since the 'incident' between the Thousand Sons and Space Wolves on the world of which i forget the name of during the HH book a A Thousand Sons, there was going to be a reckoning between Magnus and Russ atleast; this was unavoidable.

 

For the All Father!

[Ufthak]

I like Corax, Dorn and the Khan :)

Alpharius/Omegon I also kinda liked, cool character! Same goes for Konrad, too.

Fulgrim was rather pathetic, but had something going for him.

Sanguinius was ok, as was Russ, Magnus, Mortarion, Horus, Vulkan and Ferrus.

Angron I find quite entertaining :D

I really dislike the Lion, Perturabo and Papa Smurf :down: :yuck: and I absolutely hate Lorgar :cuss

[khalifah]

I´d say Rogal Dorn; more than once mentioned as the best militar mind of all Primarchs as wel as the most trustworthy. Too bad he seems to lack some sense of humor, but probably because he took on his duties and responsabilities very seriously. Also, his short appearances on the HH series made me think off him as a very human character, able to feel doubts, fear and despair, but strong enough to overcome them and endure.

My thoughts exactly.

 

think of a picture where in the middle there's a throne with the Emperor drinking a goblet of mead, relishing his most recent conquest. To his left and right are his sons, sparing with each other, getting angry, playing tricks, etc.

all except his one son Dorn, who sits quietly in front of his father, learning all he can from him in hopes to eventually be like him :)

[Vor]

I'm only up to Descent of Angels, but I like the Lion and Fulgrim. Sanguineus was also cool.

[Rain]

Sorry guys, but Dorn's a tool. He's the well dressed and consistently punctual guy with a sextuple digit income and double digit IQ. Besides helping cause the fall of the Iron Warriors and Night Lords, he walked into a trap, nearly caused another civil war, and got blown up. Ironically enough, I actually like the Imperial Fists, but just can't stand Dorn and his pompous uselessness.

 

Also, Magnus was certainly not the most loyal primarch. He wanted to prove the value of his personal methods as much as he wanted to help the Emperor, and when push came to shove he did not martyr himself for the Emperor like say, Sanguinius did but instead turned to Tzeentch. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that as I think loyalty for loyalty's sake is asinine, but just saying.

 

As for my favorite, Perturabo all the way. Probably because as far as I can tell he is the one most similar to me and as I am my favorite person it obviously follows. Honorable mentions go to Alpharius and Mortarion.

[A D-B]

Worst Fall: Lorgar and Alpharius Omegon. one turned because his daddy scolded him and another because he believed some Xenos

 

One day, I will be able to resist responding to this repetitive accusation.

 

Firstly, there's no evidence the Alpha Legion believed the Cabal. None at all. It's not even implied - in fact, the opposite is implied. The Alpha Legion, from the start, are highlighted as absolutely unwilling to suffer being manipulated by outside forces, and state at the beginning that the Imperium is a doomed enterprise. They showed no respect, no patience, no care for the Cabal's vision at all, and it's staggeringly oversimplified to just say "They fell because they believed xenos". That's one possible fall, and one of the most sincerely unlikely.

 

As for Lorgar, he didn't turn because "Daddy scolded him". He fell to Chaos because he believed the Emperor's vision was wrong for humanity, and he found that his father was deceiving the entire species. The Emperor told him there were no gods, and that worship was pointless. Well, there are gods, and worshipping them brings immense power. He didn't turn because he was in a bad mood. He turned because his entire belief system was suddenly destroyed after decades of no one complaining about it before, and then finding that the Emperor was lying to the entire human race. It is not a godless galaxy.

 

Also, going by the Index Astartes article, Lorgar chose to fall to Chaos because worshipping the Ruinous Powers represented the only way humanity could survive against the galaxy's infinite threats.

 

 

Favorite primarch? Well, I am a son of Lorgar. I do think the complaining about how he reacted badly when the Emperor, his father, who he worshipped, told him that he wasn't doing it right is overrated. But Corax is my favorite primarch.

 

Ho, ho.

 

"And there he stood at the heart of the killing fields, winged and haloed by amorphous contrails of psychic fire, shouting his brother's name into the storm.

 

Corax answered with a shriek of his own – the call of the betrayer, the cry of the betrayed – and the raven met the heretic in a clash of crozius and claw."

 

-- from The First Heretic.

[Ufthak]

Thank you very much for the teaser <_< Definitely looking forward!

 

Your favourite primarch(s), A D-B?

[Iron Father Ferrum]

And that kind of writing, good sir, is why you rock.

[Artein]

Corax vs. Lorgar? <_<

[Huragok]

Lion/Dorn.

[DaemonPrinceDargor]

Sanguinius.It should have been him.He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once that victory is won.For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood.Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed.Sanguinius holds it all.It should have been his...

 

Warmaster Horus on who should have been the Warmaster.

 

 

I think that sums up why Sanguinius is my favourite Primarch.

 

Cheers! <_<

[Captain Idaho]

Worst Fall: Lorgar and Alpharius Omegon. one turned because his daddy scolded him and another because he believed some Xenos

 

One day, I will be able to resist responding to this repetitive accusation.

 

No you won't, such is the curse of 40K internet forums! :lol:

 

The way I see it, the thing about Chaos (and even real life!) is that those who tread the path to damnation often do so with noble intent. Alpharius did not consider himself as a traitor, at least not initially. Even if he chose a “3rd way” than what the Acuity presented, there are flaws in his decisions.

 

Alpharius could have done a lot of good for the Loyalist forces had he remained openly loyal. Sure the HH books might very well reveal/hint that they did in fact acting in some pivotal ways during the Heresy. But this is largely in their perception of themselves in the events at the time. As an example, if they did remain loyal but worked covertly, in their view the destruction of the 3 Loyalist Legions and death of at least one Loyal Primarch at Istvvaan was unavoidable and unimportant. Other opinions, perhaps less biased audiences, would see the flaw inherent in that logic, that they could have warned their brothers and dealt a lethal blow to Horus before his Heresy even truly began (imagine the Salamanders, Iron Hands and Raven Guard plus the Alpha Legion all unleashing their fleet firepower on the traitor ships before the traitors were even ready to combat drop).

 

Each and every Primarch seems to have some flaw of some kind, to a greater or lesser degree. So what is it that causes loyal Primarchs to turn against their brothers, discounting possession and daemonic influence (Fulgrim springs to mind) and only being their own character flaws? It seems that the answer is purity of purpose.

 

This purity is not a purity of their soul as such (though they can be linked) but rather a purity that comes from knowing their beliefs are justified and their position in the moral scheme of things is correct. Remove that purity and you have a reason to turn. Lorgar had his entire existence quashed very publicly, while Perturobo was embittered and committed crimes he couldn’t forgive himself for example.

 

Interesingly, Alpharius and Omegon, however, seem to have fallen because of that purity. Their own arrogance/misguided beliefs in their superiority in their way of war meant they made decisions on their own, that they set about changing the path Mankind should tread without consultation. That is their fall.

 

So in the end, their own loyalty and devotion was ironically the reason they fell.

 

Of course A D-B will now likely prove me wrong with a quote that suggests Alpharius and Omegon were actually working with Guilliman at the behest of the Emperor and the supposed hatred was deliberately fostered to fool the traitors… a delicious twist ;)

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Worst Fall: Lorgar and Alpharius Omegon. one turned because his daddy scolded him and another because he believed some Xenos

 

One day, I will be able to resist responding to this repetitive accusation.

 

Firstly, there's no evidence the Alpha Legion believed the Cabal. None at all. It's not even implied - in fact, the opposite is implied. The Alpha Legion, from the start, are highlighted as absolutely unwilling to suffer being manipulated by outside forces, and state at the beginning that the Imperium is a doomed enterprise. They showed no respect, no patience, no care for the Cabal's vision at all, and it's staggeringly oversimplified to just say "They fell because they believed xenos". That's one possible fall, and one of the most sincerely unlikely.

 

As for Lorgar, he didn't turn because "Daddy scolded him". He fell to Chaos because he believed the Emperor's vision was wrong for humanity, and he found that his father was deceiving the entire species. The Emperor told him there were no gods, and that worship was pointless. Well, there are gods, and worshipping them brings immense power. He didn't turn because he was in a bad mood. He turned because his entire belief system was suddenly destroyed after decades of no one complaining about it before, and then finding that the Emperor was lying to the entire human race. It is not a godless galaxy.

 

Also, going by the Index Astartes article, Lorgar chose to fall to Chaos because worshipping the Ruinous Powers represented the only way humanity could survive against the galaxy's infinite threats.

 

 

Favorite primarch? Well, I am a son of Lorgar. I do think the complaining about how he reacted badly when the Emperor, his father, who he worshipped, told him that he wasn't doing it right is overrated. But Corax is my favorite primarch.

 

Ho, ho.

 

"And there he stood at the heart of the killing fields, winged and haloed by amorphous contrails of psychic fire, shouting his brother's name into the storm.

 

Corax answered with a shriek of his own – the call of the betrayer, the cry of the betrayed – and the raven met the heretic in a clash of crozius and claw."

 

-- from The First Heretic.

Why ADB? Why?

 

My two favorite primarchs duking it out... 'tear'

 

Why can't they just be friends

 

In seriousness, you did get that I was trying to say that Lorgar was justified in his actions? People underestamate (sp?) the power of a parent's love, and in reverse, hate, on a child.

 

I think Erebrus's true gift to the primarch was getting him out of his sorrow, but that may be just me.

 

The First Heretic is on my list of books to buy then.

[Sons of Horus]

OH MY :o A-D-B, you daemon of Slaanesh (tempting me so so much).

 

on topic: Konrad Curze/Night Haunter. He was so bad @$$ couldn't stand his own bad@$$ness and decided to die instead :)

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Ho, ho.

 

"And there he stood at the heart of the killing fields, winged and haloed by amorphous contrails of psychic fire, shouting his brother's name into the storm.

 

Corax answered with a shriek of his own – the call of the betrayer, the cry of the betrayed – and the raven met the heretic in a clash of crozius and claw."

 

-- from The First Heretic.

 

:angry: DIE GOLDBOY DIE!! :verymad:

 

Oh hang on.... Goldie lives.... Blast! *sad face :confused: *

 

*Asian stringed instrument plays, followed by woodwind pipes, MW sees Master Shifu before him* ~ "But you knew what would happen to Horus Lupercal - yes - and yet Horus Rising is still a favourite Sci-Fan book of yours? - yes - So you have no problem - huh? - *Master Shifu waves hand and repeats* "So you have no problem - I have no problem - Good, run along and play nicely with the other children"

 

*Vision fades, MW comes too*

 

*happy face :woot: *