Favourite Primarch.

[jaxom]

*Sticks head out from behind cover*

My favorites tend not to be Primarchs but of the Primarchs I've enjoyed Sanguinius (re: what Horus said about him), Horus (the weird Batman & Robin dynamic he has with the Emperor), and the Alpha Legion ("We are Alpharius"). I liked Dorn in Horus Rising and in Tales of Heresy. Angron in Tales of Heresy was very interesting if not entirely likeable.

 

Lion El'Jonson I liked though it requires some explanation. His line about having really good hearing + his complete lack of social intelligence + that bit from Voyage of the Dawn Treader about listening to your friends talk about you with no context = A really good portrayal of what causes his paranoia and lack of trust in others. One could understand why he only 'trusts' those who've come into the Order after he was in charge and to whom he'd never been anything but a hero and not a monster from the forest.

 

I liked how the Cabal suggested the Lion was as cunning and devious as Alpharious/Omegon though twisted by his experiences.

 

I really hope he gets some more explicit characterization as we've yet to get anything from his point of view or even direct observation of him and his actions for any period of time (and most of that comes from those not entirely close to him).

 

*Scrambles back behind cover*

[Sanctimonius]

Personally, always liked Kurze from the early days. Other Chaos Primarchs could go hang for all they lack of depth they tended to be given, but Kurze and his death always struck me as cool. He knew something and was dying for it, whatever it was.

 

I liked Horus, especially in the first book (imo the best written of the series I've read so far). From what people have said Alpahrius sounds like a very interesting character, but my favourite so far, hands down, has been Mortarion. Fulgrim and his descent was portrayed well, but at the end of the day I prefer a fallen warrior to a thrill junkie. Mortarion came across as someone who completely knew what he was doing when he sided with Horus, and genuinely tried to carry as many of his men with him as he could.

 

Plus he is just cool.

[Roland Durendal]

I must say thus far..

 

Like: Leman Russ. WHile many think his character wasn't done justic in A Thousand Sons, I disagree. I think they captured his aggressive and warlike nature perfectly. I think the misconception arises from the fact that people forget that the story is written from the 1K Sons point of view, and as such, would not be privy to the more light hearted, good natured, and familiar nature of Russ. They allude to some of his better traits in their (like the fact that he hides his great intellect behind his ferocity and "barbarianism"), but since the story's focus was the 1K Sons, it makes sense that they wouldn't delve too much into more of Russ's traits.

 

I also really liked Angron from After De'shea. I think they captured the whole tormented warrior perfectly. Though I must say, before re-reading the Chaos 'dex and realizing the whole labotomy thing, I couldn't understand the whole break in speech he had and the constant "ughs" he did.

 

And though not a primarch, I really liked Ahriman from A Thousand Sons. He truly comes across as the noble scholar-warrior. Seeing his fall was truly saddening.

 

Dislike: Magnus. I just think that McNeill went over the top with his arrogance and conceited attitude. I think had his arrogance been more tempered and subtle, it would have made his fall that much more tragic. As it was, the whole time I was like, "I can't wait for you to fall, with an attitude like that." Near the end McNeill redeemed him a bit with his stoic acceptance of fate, but by then, I already thought he was a horrible character that those redeeming qualities were lost. Nuance McNeill! Next time be more nuanced in his hubris and negative traits so we don't see the outcome coming.

[Dark Scipio]

Rogal Dorn

 

He is a caring, brave and dutiful Primarch. He is emotional stable unlike many other Primarchs in particular the Traitors.

[kalle]

Rogal Dorn

 

He is a caring, brave and dutiful Primarch. He is emotional stable unlike many other Primarchs in particular the Traitors.

 

 

seconded!

[Walter Payton]

Rogal Dorn

 

He is a caring, brave and dutiful Primarch. He is emotional stable unlike many other Primarchs in particular the Traitors.

 

Correct, to a point. He was fairly emotionally unstable after the heresy, vis-a-vis the Iron Cage and all that.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

"Emotionally unstable" Traitor Primarchs. Hmmmm.

 

Angron, for sure. Curze, for certain. Magnus maybe, wracked by guilt and accepting the Emperor's punishment. But I think that's about it.

 

Horus has never come off to me as being unstable at all -- ambitious and power-hungry, hurt by the perceived slight by his father, but not at all crazy. Alpharius Omegon (from what we know at the end of Legion) were perfectly clear-headed about it, Peturabo has never been described by anyone as being the least bit wrong in the head, Fulgrim doesn't count because he was under the influence of a very powerful Keeper of Secrets, Mortarion. . . I don't know because I don't like the Death Guard in the least. Who I am missing? Lorgar. Well, I can't say too much about him either because I think that all overly-religious people are nuts, but that's a personal judgement and really has no bearing on the current topic.

 

Now then, in comparison, were there any "unstable" Loyalist Primarchs?

 

I think you can say yes. Ferrus was certainly driven beyond the point of rationality by his hurt and anger. An argument for Dorn has been made already, and I have to agree -- what kind of a man throws himself and his blood-son soldiers into a meatgrinder like that on purpose? It was a trap, and he knew it, and walked right into it anyway. Corax was desperate enough to fiddle with the process for creating new Marines -- sciences that he obviously did not fully understand, considering the outcome. Were these three completely unhinged like Angron or MPD like Curze? No, of course not. But they were certainly under some serious emotional stress at the time and could be considered emotionally unstable as a result.

[Legatus]

Alpharius Omegon (from what we know at the end of Legion) were perfectly clear-headed about it

I am still going with studio background for them, and according to that Alpharius had a serious inferiority complex and constantly tried to outdo the other Primarchs, going so far as directly getting into conflicts with the other Legtions. He jumped at the opportunity to fight against the loyalist Legions.

 

 

Peturabo has never been described by anyone as being the least bit wrong in the head

Well, he was not "unstable", and had a very sound technical and analytical mind, but he was not without his emotional issues. Mainly feeling that he and his Legion were being mistreated by everyone.

[Captain Idaho]

Edited because I put this in the wrong thread! ^_^

[A D-B]

Alpharius Omegon (from what we know at the end of Legion) were perfectly clear-headed about it

I am still going with studio background for them, and according to that Alpharius had a serious inferiority complex and constantly tried to outdo the other Primarchs, going so far as directly getting into conflicts with the other Legtions. He jumped at the opportunity to fight against the loyalist Legions.

 

I reckon that was true, too. I hope we see more of it in the future of the novel series. In fact, I'm going to note that down and bring it up at the next meeting.

[Argon]

I think you can say yes. Ferrus was certainly driven beyond the point of rationality by his hurt and anger. An argument for Dorn has been made already, and I have to agree -- what kind of a man throws himself and his blood-son soldiers into a meatgrinder like that on purpose? It was a trap, and he knew it, and walked right into it anyway.

 

A man who puts honor before reason, that's who.

[Espada Azul]

By Haruhi, we've given A-D-B something to talk to his bosses about. Again! Run for the hills, brethren!

 

Seriously though, I'm of the mind that none of the Primarchs were completely likable -- even Guilliman, the guy whom my DIY is descended from.

[Emperor's Angel]

So far I really like how Rogel Dorn has been portrayed. It almost seems like his rise as Captain of the loyalist forces and subsequent tragedies will be central later in the series. I don't know if that's just because of his proximity to the Emperor or what. I don't believe he likes his job. I see him as someone who would rather just keep command of his legion and let anyone else run the show. But he gets the gig because he is there. I mean come on, he bolts at the first chance to lead his Legion alone, only returning at the implementation of the Codex Astartes. Of course this series (and universe) is very subjective and I may be completely wrong, but I cannot wait to find out.

 

Of the 18 available Primarchs, I am really looking forward to seeing what they do with Dorn and Guilliman. Both characters are referenced by Loken in Horus Rising as leaders looked up to, almost as if older brothers to Horus (but found after). They are both very disciplined characters. One destined to hold the Imperium together in the Heresy, and the other destined to hold it together after. One is the prime example of personal discipline (and we will get to watch it break) while the other is more of a master of organizational discipline (and we will get to watch the struggles in developing his doctrine).

 

They both come across as arrogant in their respective ways, but I don't think they honestly mean too. All the other Primarchs come across as with something to prove, or rebel against. Maybe I just like their blandness... they are definately more of the normal Primarchs. No crazy wings, howling at the moon, batman persona... ect.

[Vixthra]

Favourite Primarchs......hmmmmm....too tough to call just one so I'll have to say:

 

Horus - Because he's Horus. Easily the most charismatic bad-ass, so cool they named a heresy after him lol. Nothing beats the ol' *Favoured son betraying daddy cos he thinks he can do the job better* routine.

 

Fulgrim - Ever the perfectionist though I was a little irritated at the fact that a guy that stresses the importance of perfection wouldn't be too concerned that he was hearing voices.

 

However, after reading the snippet from *The First Heretic*, I have a feeling Lorgar > all......but at this stage that's speculation. Crazy zealots are always fun to read about, and as the Word Bearers are kinda the instigators of the whole heresy I've got high hopes for the book. Don't let me down.

 

 

Least favourite has to be Russ....not gonna go into details, it's already been covered here....just gonna say, What a twat! Get back on your long boat you shaggy haired, dog loving, mead quaffing, Prospero pillaging barbarian numpty :D

[Wrath of Terra]

I've always had a soft spot for Angron, and not because I've had a largely Khornate army for 15 years. But more because I think there's a good bit more depth to him than the caraciture "ANGRON SMASH!" view of him.

 

To me he is the living embodiement of human rage and all that goes with it; the determination never to lose/give up no matter the odds or cost to yourself, the willpower to go as far as you have to to beat the enemy no matter how many advantages they have over you, the terror-inspiring effect the enemy would suffer from as no matter what they do this demi-god of a madman and his legion of sons just keep coming and coming and coming until they win. And they will win.

 

Remember, Emperor was smart enough to realise he needed shock troops, ones so good and terrifying that the mere threat of them would bring compliance from defiant populations and obliteration to those who did resist. And what better to meet Xenos inscrutability with than pure human rage. How could they stand against it? Answer, they couldn't.

 

Plus he was far from stupid or mindless out of combat. I can't remember who said it in one of the early HH books but someone was talking about Angron and his boys and, to paraphrase, they said; "Angron and the World Eaters do know other ways of fighting, they just much prefer their own way". Sums it up nicely.

 

And my favourite phrase regarding the World Eaters was when Khârn was talking to some of the other Astartes captains from other legions and (again, forgive me for paraphrasing but it's been quite a while since I read the first few HH books) Khârn says; "Do not mistake our directness for stupidity or mindlessness for we are neither". Fantastic. Jibbed exactly with me views on the legion.

 

As he is in many ways, on the surface, the most one dimensional/transparent/simplified/cliched (take your pick) of the Primarchs it means that whenever Black Library finally get round to doing his book I imagine it would be quite hard to mine to his hidden depths and give him the portrayal he deserves. I'm of the opinion that the only two authors who would be talented enough to do him justice would be Abnett or Dembski-Bowden, I'd lose sleep if I heard any other author got his grubby little mitts on Angron. So A-D-B, if you've read this far the wistful and sentimental ramblings of a grizzled Khornate general, could you please, please, please call dibs if the chance to do the World Eater's book comes up in a meeting. Failing that could you elbow Mr Abnett in the ribs so that he jumps and the higher-ups thinks he wants it and give it to him. In return, name your price.

[Sethus]

The Lion! Smart, cunning and invincible. Love the events about him and Russ fist-fighting. Especially when Lion knocked Russ out out, haha.

[Wrath of Terra]

The Lion! Smart, cunning and invincible. Love the events about him and Russ fist-fighting. Especially when Lion knocked Russ out out, haha.

 

 

No, no, what you meant to say was; humourless, bland and boring.

[Legatus]

As opposed to, say, Angron! :)

[Wrath of Terra]

As opposed to, say, Angron! :P

 

 

Even he was more likeable than "Lionel"!

[Sethus]

The Lion would've made a better Warmaster than Horus. Particullary because he doesn't grant full trust to anyone.

[Kizzdougs]

The lack of trust the Lion had in others would only have created resentment and distrust amongst his brothers, most of wich would be aimed at him.

 

I think Fulgrim could have made a good War Master. He had the Charisma, skill and political brilliance needed to manage the great crusade. He would have been able to handle the bureaucratic medling of Terra and the infighting between his brothers. Fulgrim would have been able to allow his brothers to believe that they were each following their own desired goals while he guides and manipulates them(in a good way of course) for the good of the Imperium.

 

Unlike many of his brothers Fulgrim had goals and ideas for the future, by wich i meen after the Great Crusade(unless of course you subscribe to sigismund's view of the future).

[Marshal Wilhelm]

The Lion would've made a better Warmaster than Horus. Particullary because he doesn't grant full trust to anyone.

 

Mmmm, I disagree. DA were my first love of all the Marines, and I am pro-Lion. However, strategic brilliance ≠ Warmaster material. I think Turbs is on par with the Lion in outlook and thus, also not WM material.

Sang and Horus had the all round talent to make it happen.

Lorgar was a people person, but not so much leading them as inspiring them to greater things.

Guilliman had the organisation, but rubbed people the wrong way (at least the fans :lol: ). If you give people the heebeegeebees, you won't lead them well nor will your diplomacy be very good, no matter how "correct" you are.

The Khan, Russ, Angron and Ferrus Manus were far too warlike.

Mortarian and Vulkan have never come across as leaders beyond their Legions

I think Fulgrim was too focused on detail. Brilliant for getting things right were he is, but not the same as managing 17 Primarchs and the Imperium's expansion.

Dorn is painted in a good light in the HH books, yet is overwhelmed by the HH and so perhaps (but not necessarily) not suited to the role of Warmaster. He was chosen as the Emperor's Praetorian pre-heresy and had control over the Imperium's forces during the heresy, so perhaps he could have done the job.

Alpharius and Omegon were too introspective whilst Corax and The Night Haunter were too introverted.

Magnus was occupied with unlocking even bigger things than running Man's Dominium. It is funny though, because in A Thousand Sons

Don't be naughty if you haven't read it!!

Chaos says to Magnus that he was their choice for being Champion, over and above Horus, but Magnus was too loyal to the Emperor to fill that role ~ interesting :D

 

 

My favourite Primarch.... so far.... well that is hard to say.

Tbh, I loved Horus Lupercal. Inspite of two decades of hating Horus, on reading Horus Rising, I would have followed him as Warmaster for sure. Given that he turns and we knew that he would, gives him the medal for favourite Primarch to date.

 

I have always liked Dorn, and felt warm and fuzzy when he was fleshed out. I look forwards to him getting a book and making more cameos.

I felt sad for Fulgrim, the conclusion is something that should terrify us.

Magnus was always a star, and ATS only cemented his status as jibbed Legend for me.

Angron and the WE came alive for me, as I have always found Khorne icky. I think he was done so well that I nearly started a pre-heresy WE force ;)

 

I think Guilliman and Turbs will draw in many, many fans after BL accounts for them.

 

But so far, Horus Lupercal.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

just wonder Wilhelm, if what you spoiled tagged wasnt for the benefit of a egotical being.

 

WLK

[Guerilla Commando]

I've only just got the first two books, im on part 2 chapter 5 and so far Horus... definatley!

Just cannot wait until his fall to chaos :D

[Guerilla Commando]

I've only just got the first two books, im on part 2 chapter 5 and so far Horus... definatley!

Just cannot wait until his fall to chaos :D