Midwest Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 This is not an "alternative Heresy" proposal, but a theory about the 'actual' canonical Heresy: Ladies and gentlemens, I propose - nay, I j'accuse! - that it was Sanguinius who mortally wounded the Emperor, and that his Legion has framed Horus in order to disguise the terrible truth!!! The basis of my theory: -Known BA mutations indicate influence/'touch' of Chaos. -Terrible visions of Sanguinius are not of his death, but of his slaughtering the Emperor. The "official" account is a cover story by Blood Angels who either cannot face the truth or who wish to keep it hidden, DA style. -The HH novels have shown that a lot of the "current" Imperium's knowledge and beliefs are "ironic" in light of what originally/actually happened, e.g. Magnus tried to prevent the Heresy, the Big E was against religious belief, most of all in him as a god, etc. What bigger irony than Horus being innocent, having been framed by the sons of the "pious" Sangjudious? -Overwrought blood theme - cleverly disguised as ham-handed, overly-literal theming for an army named "Blood Angels" - is in fact denoting the Primarch's blood guilt as the Emperor Killer, a secret hidden in plain sight as it were. Similar heavy-handed renny angel theme is missing a most curious element - the Judas figure. Too soon? Or too close for comfort for those who know? -BA lost to the overwhelming guilt are compulsively painted black by the Chapter. Compulsive-guilty subconcious attempt to reinforce guilt of the Black Legion - the current iteration of Horus' legion - by replicating the paint scheme for those in the throes of reliving the True Betrayal? So what happened on that floating grassy knoll of a Chapter depository known as the Vengeful Spirit?: 1. Horus is evil. 2. Emperor confronts Horus. 3. Horus' noble self breaks free of Chaos' grasp. 4. Horus cannot bear what he has done and submits to his punishment. Yet Emperor shows mercy, for he knows the scheming of the powers behind this. 5. Chaos gods play their ace in the hole - what, you think they were betting it all on booby-trapping those two boats? (oops, wrong background, carry on!) But seriously, several Legions show genetic taint, including the Space Wolves and T-Sons. What if the BA have this as well, back through Sanguinius, and through this mutation the gods are able to send Sangy into an uncontrollable rage? Maybe directly at the Emperor, or maybe at Horus in the guise of "no mercies, Emperor!" only to "accidentally" wound the Emperor when he steps in to intervene/shield Horus? What if the greatest Heresy ever told is a lie? What if Horus is innocent? What if Sangy is the real heretic?? WE'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS HERE, PEOPLE! THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Then how do you explain Sanguinius' death? Or Sanguinius nearly being killed by a Bloodthirster? Sorry, but I don't buy any of this at all. You can't re-invent the canon like this. Unless for fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Posted April 19, 2010 Author Share Posted April 19, 2010 Then how do you explain Sanguinius' death? Or Sanguinius nearly being killed by a Bloodthirster? 1. Cut down by Horus in grief over the Emperor's death. 2. Blood Angel/Imperial propaganda! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Bah: you have an answer for everything it seems! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Kaelgrim Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 While I do not think this is true, if it was it would be a plot of Tzeentchian magnitude! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Yeah, yeah, all the fluff GW tells us in Codices and rtulebooks is wrong, everything is really totally different. The "bad guys" are the real good guys and the "good guys" are rally the bad guys. You figured it all out, wow. Next. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I suppose you know who really killed JFK too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Posted April 19, 2010 Author Share Posted April 19, 2010 Bah: you have an answer for everything it seems! :P I'm writing a tell-all reveal book, "Behold a Pale Horus"! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 :ph34r: amusing theory.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 If Sanguinius killed the Emperor and Horus killed Sanguinius, who killed Horus? Please don't claim it was the Alpha Legion, Abbadon or Aximand. Wasn't the Emperor able to communicate for some time after his "death" (he gave instructions for his internment in the golden throne). I find it hard to believe he would forget to mention that "Sanguinius did it". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2369898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I suppose you know who really killed JFK too? My bad, sorry. I was aiming for Lee Harvey Oswald. I agree with the Legatus on this one-These kinds of things have ti fit into the established fluff. For instance, the theory that the Alphas were betraying Chaos secretly is possible, as it does not directly contradict the background-this theory is directly contradicted in: Every Codex: Chaos Space Marines Every Codex: Space Marines Every Codex: Blood Angels And various nebulous BL output Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2370035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Afraid it's too much of a house of cards for me. I also think the Emperor might have mentioned that small minor fact <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2370449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I suppose you know who really killed JFK too? I do know it wasn't me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2370467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
empty choke Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 okay then how do you explain the virus bombing of istavaan III? or the drop site masacre commited aginst other legions by horus and the other legions involved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2371065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
havoc3149 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 What about the fact that the Emperor showed up like 10 minutes later cause the teleporters weren't working great and got to horus after Sang got to the throne room first (and had his butt kicked). It's kind of a mundane reason but it matters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2371082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I suppose you know who really killed JFK too? I do know it wasn't me. Or me. Thats two down.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2371714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korraz Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 How can you be sure? Maybe you'll use a time-travelling-machine in a month or two and kill him? Also: http://www.linenoiz.com/pics/funny/its_a_conspiracy.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2371837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 You better close your windows and doors with adamantium, otherwise... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD G~ I mean, for the Blood of Sanguinius! Ran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2372422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 You better close your windows and doors with adamantium, otherwise... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD G~ I mean, for the Blood of Sanguinius! Ran Is there a difference? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2372476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jma037 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Horus was reading a letter from his sister. Big E comes in and wounds Horus. San comes in and wounds the Big E. Big E kills San. Horus kills Big E. Dorn comes in and wounds Horus. Horus is on the throne. Ummm...what you say? That you've only meant well? Well of cause you did....Ummm what you say? It's all for the best? Of cause it is. Ummm..what you say.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2372493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherAtrox Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Is there a difference? :lol: Yes. :ermm: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2372595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 well; the Chaos Gods killed horus. he was worthless now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2372809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 okay then how do you explain the virus bombing of istavaan III? or the drop site masacre commited aginst other legions by horus and the other legions involved. The Adeptus Mechanicus military-industrial complex, of course! A faction of the AM rejects the Emperor but knows the legions would crush any attempt by Mars to turn. So instead they annihilate a significant chunk of the legions at Isstvan, setting up additional legions as fall guys, thus splitting the Emperor's primary asset and turning it upon itself. The use of a massive virus-bombing against much-hated flesh is only icing on the cake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2373262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutteman Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 The Adeptus Mechanicus military-industrial complex, of course! Of course...so now instead of Sang doing it, the Ad Mech are doing it and Sang is just having a bad day and decides to kill his dad... The trouble is you have dismissed som eevidence already on the basis of "It's cover up etc" sooooo...I'm assuming this can be applied to any inconvient info ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2373435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chriscrowing Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 This is always a lot of fun, but I'm sorry - Sanguinius is the hero of the piece, the noble sacrifice, the one who was a mutant, but also loyal etc. He's even been built up to it by the pre-Davin (and supposedly sincere and nice) Horus as 'the best of the Primarchs'. An interesting and plausaible theory is that the Emperor and/or Rogal Dorn fixed it so that Sanguinius ended up facing Horus first, virtually guaranteeing that either Sanguinius or Horus would die, and making it likely the other would be at least a bit tired. The idea that the Emperor was quite happy with the Heresy in general, because it allowed him to dispose of his sons and disperse the Legions makes sense. It's just that Horus was a little more pumped up than he was meant to be... An even better theory is that Rogal Dorn (who CONVENIENTLY turned up after both mega-duels) found the victorious, unharmed yet somewhat tired and distracted Emperor cradling Sanguinius' eviscerated corpse while Horus' psy-melted corpse cools in the corner and in a case of sibling jealousy/sheer opportunism - picks up Horus' lightning claw and messes Daddy up good, then sticks him in the Golden Throne before anyone else can say otherwise. Then Russ and Guilliman turn up, and Gulliman doesn't buy it, using his massive numerical advantage to stymie Dorns attempt at power by forcing the Codex Astartes through... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/198879-sanguinius-did-it/#findComment-2373618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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