Sanguinius Did It!

[Decoy]

I've not laughed like this in a long, long time. I could say so many things, but this thread is progressing so well without me, I'll leave it be.

 

Carry on.

[Tutteman]

Bold bits are me :P

 

 

This is always a lot of fun, but I'm sorry - Sanguinius is the hero of the piece, the noble sacrifice, the one who was a mutant, but also loyal etc. He's even been built up to it by the pre-Davin (and supposedly sincere and nice) Horus as 'the best of the Primarchs'.

 

It is a bit of fun :P nice laugh

 

Then Russ and Guilliman turn up, and Gulliman doesn't buy it, using his massive numerical advantage to stymie Dorns attempt at power by forcing the Codex Astartes through...

 

...GASP...Someone on B&C said nice things about Gulliman! Nice theory though :D

[Jamafore]

Ugh, these conspiracy theories make my head hurt. ;)

 

I got one question about the whole "Sanguinus did it" thing. What would Sanguinus have to gain by killing the Emperor?

[Guest Azeikel]

I think what the original poster means is that just like the legions who were turned and revealed their disloyalty at the drop site massacres so did sanguinus, but the chaos gods and Horus decided not to reveal this until the opportune moment. Horus swayed sanguinus (one of the primarchs who was closer to him) to the cause of chaos but unlike the other traitor primarchs sanguinus was unable to turn his legion with him.

 

This is how i interpreted what was said (not exactly the original posters story but how i think it would make sense)

The emperor reaches the bridge of the Horus' flagship with sanguinus, waiting for them is Horus. The fight begins and the emperor clearly has the upper hand. While the emperor is distracted by serving the killing blow to Horus sanguinus stabs him in the back. Horus is mortally wounded and so is the emperor. Dorn walks in to the sight of this betrayal and slays sanguinus in return. He then takes the emperors body and inters it in the golden throne in a desperate attempt to keep him alive.

 

Although i am not willing to fully believe this theory it does fit fairly neatly into the canon and sound plausible to me.

[Brother Jim]

*Beavis voice* "Plop." :devil:

[Captain Juan Juarez]

History is written by the victors.

[Marshal Rohr]

No.

[ultramarine of death]

bloody hell this is ridiculas sanguis did not kill the BIG E

[The emperors chosen]

This is always a lot of fun, but I'm sorry - Sanguinius is the hero of the piece, the noble sacrifice, the one who was a mutant, but also loyal etc. He's even been built up to it by the pre-Davin (and supposedly sincere and nice) Horus as 'the best of the Primarchs'.

 

An interesting and plausaible theory is that the Emperor and/or Rogal Dorn fixed it so that Sanguinius ended up facing Horus first, virtually guaranteeing that either Sanguinius or Horus would die, and making it likely the other would be at least a bit tired.

 

The idea that the Emperor was quite happy with the Heresy in general, because it allowed him to dispose of his sons and disperse the Legions makes sense. It's just that Horus was a little more pumped up than he was meant to be...

 

An even better theory is that Rogal Dorn (who CONVENIENTLY turned up after both mega-duels) found the victorious, unharmed yet somewhat tired and distracted Emperor cradling Sanguinius' eviscerated corpse while Horus' psy-melted corpse cools in the corner and in a case of sibling jealousy/sheer opportunism - picks up Horus' lightning claw and messes Daddy up good, then sticks him in the Golden Throne before anyone else can say otherwise.

 

Then Russ and Guilliman turn up, and Gulliman doesn't buy it, using his massive numerical advantage to stymie Dorns attempt at power by forcing the Codex Astartes through...

This sounds like something that would turn up in Orwellian 40k :D

[Walter Payton]

No.

 

Brutal, to-the-point, totally devoid of any emotion. Very Black Templar! +10 to the above!

[Haniboll]

No.

 

 

Second....

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

History is written by the victors.

 

that has been incorrect since the 800-900 AD.

maybe more accepted, but not written. anybody who took a strong look back can always find fragments of written word by those defeated in conflicts of any sizes.

 

WLK

[Brother Aiwass]

The idea that the Emperor was quite happy with the Heresy in general, because it allowed him to dispose of his sons and disperse the Legions makes sense. It's just that Horus was a little more pumped up than he was meant to be...

 

As in my country, when the king came to power and nobody loved him. But there was a coup (23 F) that him miraculously resolved and bang! Everybody loves the king! :)

[Midwest]

This is always a lot of fun, but I'm sorry - Sanguinius is the hero of the piece, the noble sacrifice, the one who was a mutant, but also loyal etc.

I can't help but notice your open tolerance of the mutant. Heresy!

 

I've not laughed like this in a long, long time. I could say so many things, but this thread is progressing so well without me, I'll leave it be.

 

Carry on.

I have to admit to being surprised by how seriously my original post was taken...which can only lead me to suspeculate that my theory has hit upon a sensitive, deeply-repressed truth that the Blood Angels and their agents do not wish to confront, let alone have brought to the surface!!!

 

I got one question about the whole "Sanguinus did it" thing. What would Sanguinus have to gain by killing the Emperor?

The official background openly admits to two things:

 

1. Sanguinius was above the other primarchs, to the degree that even the beloved Warmaster Horus thought himself inferior to him.

2. Sanguinius is said to have been more or further touched by Chaos than the other primarchs, as evidenced by his wings and whatnot.

 

What if the Emperor was about to destroy Sanguinius for his Chaos taint? Surely the Emperor would have known that Sangy's popularity and corruption could have made him open to falling to Chaos.

 

In fact, what if that is why Horus was given the Warmaster title? Because the big E didn't trust Sanguinius with it? The motive would now be clear - Sanguinius, already repressing a deep rage at his 'father' for the open slap in the face of passing him over for Horus, now witnesses the Emperor forgiving the traitorous Horus with a compassion he had not shown Sangy in rejecting him for the Warmaster title.

 

Sangy goes berserk due to his Chaos corruption, and the rest is rewritten history, as they say!

[Brother Aiwass]

Maybe Sang was jealous, and when he found Horus, Sang kill him VERY much. The chaos gods, then took Sang as their chosen.

 

Big E arrives and see the change in Sanguinius, more, saw the psymelted body of Horus and goes berserk. But Sangy was too strong. A long fight, that shook the foundations of the universe took place. Finally the Emp wins but at great cost.

 

Later Dorn comes to the scene, and broke the spine of the agonizing Emperor and puts him in the Golden Throne but Guilliman slap his face and took the control of the Empire.

[Jamafore]

This is always a lot of fun, but I'm sorry - Sanguinius is the hero of the piece, the noble sacrifice, the one who was a mutant, but also loyal etc.

I can't help but notice your open tolerance of the mutant. Heresy!

 

I've not laughed like this in a long, long time. I could say so many things, but this thread is progressing so well without me, I'll leave it be.

 

Carry on.

I have to admit to being surprised by how seriously my original post was taken...which can only lead me to suspeculate that my theory has hit upon a sensitive, deeply-repressed truth that the Blood Angels and their agents do not wish to confront, let alone have brought to the surface!!!

 

I got one question about the whole "Sanguinus did it" thing. What would Sanguinus have to gain by killing the Emperor?

The official background openly admits to two things:

 

1. Sanguinius was above the other primarchs, to the degree that even the beloved Warmaster Horus thought himself inferior to him.

2. Sanguinius is said to have been more or further touched by Chaos than the other primarchs, as evidenced by his wings and whatnot.

 

What if the Emperor was about to destroy Sanguinius for his Chaos taint? Surely the Emperor would have known that Sangy's popularity and corruption could have made him open to falling to Chaos.

 

In fact, what if that is why Horus was given the Warmaster title? Because the big E didn't trust Sanguinius with it? The motive would now be clear - Sanguinius, already repressing a deep rage at his 'father' for the open slap in the face of passing him over for Horus, now witnesses the Emperor forgiving the traitorous Horus with a compassion he had not shown Sangy in rejecting him for the Warmaster title.

 

Sangy goes berserk due to his Chaos corruption, and the rest is rewritten history, as they say!

 

 

That is actually quite plausible, but as another poster above said, the Emp was able to speak for a while after being put on the throne. Why didn't he say, "Oh by the way, Sanguinus betrayed me."?

[Fire Lord Captain]

I like the way you (the OP) have thought it through, especially how the death company wear black in grief. Theres a little bit of sense in it.

I don't like how some posters are taking it way too seriously.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

[quote name='Forgotten Knight' date='May 1 2010, 02:55 AM' post='2383931'

 

 

That is actually quite plausible, but as another poster above said, the Emp was able to speak for a while after being put on the throne. Why didn't he say, "Oh by the way, Sanguinus betrayed me."?

Because the Blood Angels legion was still loyal, he needed as many troops as possible just to keep the imperium together, so if they are loyal, why say something that would drive them to join your opponenents?

[delta13]

If Sanguinius killed the Emperor and Horus killed Sanguinius, who killed Horus?

Please don't claim it was the Alpha Legion, Abbadon or Aximand.

Wasn't the Emperor able to communicate for some time after his "death" (he gave instructions for his internment in the golden throne). I find it hard to believe he would forget to mention that "Sanguinius did it".

 

 

hang on a sec....i keep thinking i have heard somewhere or read soemwhere that in the epic battle between horus and 'the big E', that yes, Horus did infact come to his senses and realise the wrong he had done and the path of damnation and that the emperor did in fact mortaly would Horus and horus accepted his punishment in light of his traitorous revalation... so i suppose its not entirely impossible that perhaps sanguinius, being so close to horus that perhaps his rage took over at the needless execution of his beloved brother that he struck out at the emperor in haste... perhaps not meaning to fatally woulnd him but much like a parent might strike a child who has done wrong...you don't mean to hurt them your just angry and make a flash decision to strike out...its human nature and while yes, we all know they are not quite human the primarchs, they still have emoton and i would dare say on an even stringer level thsn humans... just my two sense

[Rayuzaki]

What about the fact that the Emperor showed up like 10 minutes later cause the teleporters weren't working great and got to horus after Sang got to the throne room first (and had his butt kicked). It's kind of a mundane reason but it matters.

 

Thats always annoyed me, it seems far too convienient that when the master of humanity (a man who recieves the best of the best 100% of the time, who would have the finest artificiers and mechanicum adepts tending to his equipment) tries to use his teleporters, they fantastically don't work as expected and shows up just late enough to find our good friend Sangiunus dead.

[Tutteman]

What about the fact that the Emperor showed up like 10 minutes later cause the teleporters weren't working great and got to horus after Sang got to the throne room first (and had his butt kicked). It's kind of a mundane reason but it matters.

 

Thats always annoyed me, it seems far too convienient that when the master of humanity (a man who recieves the best of the best 100% of the time, who would have the finest artificiers and mechanicum adepts tending to his equipment) tries to use his teleporters, they fantastically don't work as expected and shows up just late enough to find our good friend Sangiunus dead.

 

I always assumed it was Chaos intervention. I think socery or the such like is mentioned to cause the scattering of the attack force.

[Walter Payton]

What about the fact that the Emperor showed up like 10 minutes later cause the teleporters weren't working great and got to horus after Sang got to the throne room first (and had his butt kicked). It's kind of a mundane reason but it matters.

 

Thats always annoyed me, it seems far too convienient that when the master of humanity (a man who recieves the best of the best 100% of the time, who would have the finest artificiers and mechanicum adepts tending to his equipment) tries to use his teleporters, they fantastically don't work as expected and shows up just late enough to find our good friend Sangiunus dead.

 

I always assumed it was Chaos intervention. I think socery or the such like is mentioned to cause the scattering of the attack force.

 

Yes, it was Chaos that scattered them through the ship. Horus did it so as to be able to fight the primarchs and the Emperor one at a time, rather than get triple teamed by Dorn, Sanguinius and teh Emprah.

[Marshal Rohr]

Horus v. Dorn, Sanguinius, and the Emperor would have been cool.

[IronWinds]

Is there a difference? :lol:

 

Yes. :yes:

 

 

Yup, there is a difference, Blood Angels are even more staunch worshippers of the blood... thats why death company are bezerkers with feel no pain... they are extra crazy... or they secretly worship nurgle as well. I'm not sure yet ^_^ .

 

 

Horus v. Dorn, Sanguinius, and the Emperor would have been cool.

 

No not really.... Try a battle with Abbadon vs Calgar, Metipheston, and the Nightbringer. Its a pretty short fight... and should never be attempted... cause chaos loses, and thats against the laws of chaos theory.

 

 

 

My theory. The emperor was the bad guy, Sangiunius was a martyr... the BA are bi-polar, and Horus was spreading freedom, religious tolerance, and ending the Emperor's rain of genocide and oppression on the galaxy.

 

Its so sad he failed :wub: .

[Rain]

Ah but of course, it all makes sense now. Think about it, such an act would require treason, treason requires duplicity, duplicity is an arrogant act, the arrogant laugh, what laughs frequently? Hyenas! And hyenas are mammals that live in Africa, just like--bats! And who uses bat iconography, why none other than the traitorous Night Lords, and the Night Lords first created Raptors, that---fly! Just like Angels, angels that thirst for---blood! For the blood god no doubt, therefore the Blood Angels are heretics.

 

Quod Erat Demonstrandum