Unnamed Chapter - Help needed!

[Ace Debonair]

Have you chaps actually read the first post? ;) ;) That's what I've got for the mo and I'm doing more as I write so for now, the first post is all I've got.

 

Also, what are you talking about here?

 

In the first post you talk about teleporting your librarians through the warp (or so it appears) to kill some orks.

It's not a common ability amongst librarians.

If it's going to be part of your chapter, be less obvious about it, or you might get a few complaints.

Dark Apostle Thirst tried the less discreet approach, and it was met with a lot of criticism, so I'm pointing out the alternative route early. ;)

 

So after re-reading the first post, I discover your key themes are a respect for librarians and a love of assault tactics. Not sure how I missed that. :huh:

I think my brain might need re-starting. It's been one of those days. ;)

Carry on!

[Dosjetka]

In the first post you talk about teleporting your librarians through the warp (or so it appears) to kill some orks.

It's not a common ability amongst librarians.

So, why is it in C:SM as a psychic power for any Librarian?

[Ace Debonair]

In the first post you talk about teleporting your librarians through the warp (or so it appears) to kill some orks.

It's not a common ability amongst librarians.

So, why is it in C:SM as a psychic power for any Librarian?

 

Because I'm an idiot and somehow assumed you were spreading the ability to the rest of the chapter. :huh:

I'll shut up and sit in the corner now. ;)

[Hemal]

Guys - generally speaking Librarians can generally transport themselves for short warp-jumps, but probably not a full squad of their brethren from a starship...Maybe he teleported by himself, butchered the Ork warlord and layed down his life taking on the enemy's bodyguard and was thus honoured as a hero? maybe a genetic flaw makes all Librarians in the chapter proficient at teleporting (maybe linked to the Navigator gene - a spontaneous mutation? Maybe all the Librarians are like Dr manhattan - blue skinned with a middle eye!!).

 

As for the other hooks - 10 Chaplains probbaly can't project images of death etc into their enemies' minds - that's a Harlequin Shadowseer trick and he's a psyker, don;t see that Marines need to be quite so subtle.

[Dosjetka]

As for the other hooks - 10 Chaplains probbaly can't project images of death etc into their enemies' minds - that's a Harlequin Shadowseer trick and he's a psyker, don;t see that Marines need to be quite so subtle.

Chaplains? I put Librarians...I'm sure I did. :S

[Hemal]

As for the other hooks - 10 Chaplains probbaly can't project images of death etc into their enemies' minds - that's a Harlequin Shadowseer trick and he's a psyker, don;t see that Marines need to be quite so subtle.

Chaplains? I put Librarians...I'm sure I did. :S

 

 

So you did..

But again, its really a Shadowseer thing..however, aplogies for misreading..:-)

[Dosjetka]

So you did..

But again, its really a Shadowseer thing..however, aplogies for misreading..:-)

No worries...well, to be honest, I kind of stole the idea from the first Soul Drinkers book (which some deem heretical). Sharpedon projected and image of a angel, I think, and it discouraged the mutants they were facing. I guess it's a bad idea...

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

I think the difference here is that people are misconstruing teleportation in 40k. Teleportation, the regular kind is a form of travelling through the warp and it uses powerful warp generators to do so. A Librarian can do this on the surface of a planet in very short hops but I would guess too that they would be fairly taxing for him, moreso to have to safeguard any of this other brethren he took with him.

 

For a librarian to transport himself and some brothers from one starship to another when a single ship can measure in kilometers in length alone, not to mention the comparatively extreme ranges and constant movement involved in a fleet battle, it would be rather harder to complete without ending up inside a bulkhead or simply landing in blank space itself.

 

In any case if you can teleport using your technology without risking being attacked by daemons in the process, why would the librarian need to use his powers to accomplish the same task?

[Walter Payton]

Hello folks! :)

 

Hello.

 

So, I want an assault orientated chapter, but I don't want to use C:BA and I don't want my chapter to descend from them (I like the BA but I just don't want a successor BA chapter. There is plenty of them already and there will be more!). I don't know from which gene-seed they will come from, but I doubt that it will be Dorn's or Khan's or Johnson's as they are not really jump pack assault type chapters (and I'm not very keen on Khan and Johnson's Chapters).

 

OK.

 

You don't want BA, which will make things easier for you in the long run,

 

You want assault, specifically jump pack.

 

You have listed as not wanting:

 

Dorn

Khan

Jonson

 

That leaves you with:

 

Leman Russ-Out of the question.

Corax

Roboute Guilliman

Ferrus Mannus

 

Corax fits your theme relatively well, the problem here is that you seem to want a prediliction for CC, but have ruled out the geneseed most suited to that. You can use the ubiquitous Guilliman genestock, or use a geneseed you don't like.

 

Personally, I would recommed the Khan's-A thirst for war sounds like him.

 

 

The Astartes of <insert chapter name> have utter respect for their fellow Brother-Librarians as they have time and time again shown their worth and trust in countless battles. One of these powerful warriors transported himself, along with a squad of five veterans in Tactical Dreadnought armour, through the Warp to the heart of the Ork horde that the <insert chapter name> battle force was facing, killing the Warlord and his bodyguard only hours after the beginning of the battle. This is one of numerous examples where psykers, though feared by most people, including Astartes, have proven that their duties lie with the Emperor and His Imperium. It is for this reason that the <insert chapter name> will always shake their heads when other Astartes talk badly of psykers.

 

The last sentece sounds clunky and incompatible with the epic style of GW materiel.

 

To be honest, this entire paragraph should be in combat doctrine. Beliefs should be focusing on the chapter's outlook towards spirituality and devotion, not just people.

 

The <insert chapter name> base their tactics on lightning attacks accomplished by Assault Squads to destroy/exterminate key elements in the opposing force.

They are reknown throughout the Segmentum <…> for their ferocious and devastating assaults.

 

Actually, I think you will find that they are renowned across the Segmentum <..> for their ferocious and devastating assaults.

 

Definitely Corax or Khan

 

After this, a ritual death song is sung by <insert chapter name> of all ranks. The Chapter Librarians will often project images of death and destruction into the minds of the opponent to cause a greater effect. Many battles ended even before they have started after the “Song of Ending” has been sung, the opponents fleeing in terror before the implacable advance of the Emperor’s Angels of Death.

 

This spoils the end of the IA, which really should just be the battlecry. I would recommend putting it in a sidebar later on in the drafting process.

[Dosjetka]

You don't want BA, which will make things easier for you in the long run,

Why's that? ;)

 

but have ruled out the geneseed most suited to that.

Do you mean Blood Angels gene-seed?

 

You can use the ubiquitous Guilliman genestock,

Hum...I may have to do this one...unless I take Sang's gene-seed...

 

I would recommed the Khan's-A thirst for war sounds like him.

Ok, but I don't want an all bike list, so will that still work? I mean, he and his sons love bikes so I would suppose the successor chapters do too...though they can differ...

I'll have to get my thinking cap on to find a reason for this.

 

 

So, I either take BA, UM or WS gene-seed but which one? I can't really decide right now.

 

The last sentece sounds clunky and incompatible with the epic style of GW materiel.

To be honest, this entire paragraph should be in combat doctrine. Beliefs should be focusing on the chapter's outlook towards spirituality and devotion, not just people.

I'll change that ASAP. :D

 

This spoils the end of the IA, which really should just be the battlecry. I would recommend putting it in a sidebar later on in the drafting process.

Changed. :)

 

Thanks for that Alecto :) really does help!

[Reece Thompson]

Trying to think of names for your chapter what about:

 

Sono Angelus (Singing Angels).

 

 

Also, I agree with the Khan geneseed.

 

Just because you have the same Gene-seed it doesnt mean you would have to use the same army layout.

[Dosjetka]

I'm not too keen on the name...but then thanks for thinking about it :D

 

Ok, well Khan's gene-seed it is.

 

I just wanted to know also where I could get reliable fluff about the White Scars? Lexicanum is fin but there's not much about them...

 

Cheers,

 

BBL

[Walter Payton]

You don't want BA, which will make things easier for you in the long run,

Why's that? ;)

 

but have ruled out the geneseed most suited to that.

Do you mean Blood Angels gene-seed?

 

His and Khans.

 

What I mean by making it easier is that a BA sucessor has a lot of caveats relating to the Black Rage and Red Thirst, which is extra work for you and more ground in which you can make mistakes.

[NightrawenII]

For a librarian to transport himself and some brothers from one starship to another when a single ship can measure in kilometers in length alone, not to mention the comparatively extreme ranges and constant movement involved in a fleet battle, it would be rather harder to complete without ending up inside a bulkhead or simply landing in blank space itself.

Blank space wouldn't be a problem with Power Armour at all. Of course your marines should wear a helmets. ;)

 

In the last Ragnar book (don't remember the name ;) ), there is a Rune Priest, who uses this power. He learned it from T-sons sorcerers ;) and he is able to teleport himself, Ragnar a some BC across several kilometres.

[Dosjetka]

I think the difference here is that people are misconstruing teleportation in 40k. Teleportation, the regular kind is a form of travelling through the warp and it uses powerful warp generators to do so. A Librarian can do this on the surface of a planet in very short hops but I would guess too that they would be fairly taxing for him, moreso to have to safeguard any of this other brethren he took with him.

 

For a librarian to transport himself and some brothers from one starship to another when a single ship can measure in kilometers in length alone, not to mention the comparatively extreme ranges and constant movement involved in a fleet battle, it would be rather harder to complete without ending up inside a bulkhead or simply landing in blank space itself.

 

In any case if you can teleport using your technology without risking being attacked by daemons in the process, why would the librarian need to use his powers to accomplish the same task?

I see what you mean GHY. I didn't think that he would transport them over dozens of kilometres. But then... maybe if he popped his clogs after having teleported himself and some of his companions over an extreme distance, it would be more realistic?

 

I'm sorry that I didn't comment on this before, I just didn't see it :)

 

Cheers,

 

BBL

 

Edit: I was thinking of taking a bit of the White Scars culture but with my own twist, is that ok or is it a bit too...similar? I'm not taking their tactics but their culture...not sure if that's normal?

[Dosjetka]

Ok, a small and very rough update about the tribes upon the homeworld Antrim! As always, C&C is always appreciated! ;)

 

Cheers, :)

 

BBL

 

*****

 

Homeworld : Antrim

 

The Chapter Chaplains always get first pick for potential aspirants. Those who fail the trials, if not too wounded, will automatically be inducted into the Imperial Guard regiments of the planet. If they are too wounded, they will be healed by the Chapter Apothecaries and become serfs of the <insert Chapter name>.

 

Twelve main tribes, each represented by one main spirit-god. Tribes are divided into clans (undefined number). The clans are composed of families who share a common blood-line. All crimes are punishable by death, depending on the gravity of the crime. Inter-clan wars are regarded as dishonourable and a breach of blood-line trust and those who start the conflict can be executed if a good reason is not shown.

Inter-tribe wars, on the other hand, are frequent as each clan fights together for the dominant position in the tribe.

When the tribes go to war, all the clans within each warring tribe unite under one banner, each family supporting the war effort in whatever way possible. If there is an inter-clan crime within a tribe during a war, then the whole family has to pay, even if it’s only the fault of a single member. There are many different ways to punish families, ranging from exile to paying the targeted family with crops to execution of the culprits. As the consequences of these crimes can be terrible, they happen very rarely.

[Reece Thompson]

I'm not too keen on the name...but then thanks for thinking about it ;)

 

I used a Latin Translator because thinks usually sound better in Latin.

 

I like the sound of your Chapter though. It's really cool.

[Walter Payton]

Homeworld : Antrim

 

D'ye mean loik County Antrim in Oireland. Fer that be breaking the old suspesion o' disbelief roight thare.

 

The Chapter Chaplains always get first pick for potential aspirants.

 

'First pick' sounds about as epic as tax returns.

 

Those who fail the trials, if not too wounded, will automatically be inducted into the Imperial Guard regiments of the planet. If they are too wounded, they will be healed by the Chapter Apothecaries and become serfs of the <insert Chapter name>.

 

Again, the tone is off here.

 

Twelve main tribes, each represented by one main spirit-god.

 

Just how pagan is this? Inocence through ignorance holds no truck with the Ecclesiorum

 

 

The clans are composed of families who share a common blood-line. All crimes are punishable by death, depending on the gravity of the crime.

 

How can death depend on the gravity of the crime if everyone is killed?

[Dosjetka]

Before starting to reply, may I point out that I did put that my last post was a very rough update. It will all be rephrased. I was just looking for C&C about the info that I included.

 

Anyway, here I go!

 

D'ye mean loik County Antrim in Oireland. Fer that be breaking the old suspesion o' disbelief roight thare.

Yes, I only discovered this afterwards, I guess I'll have to change it then.

 

'First pick' sounds about as epic as tax returns.

Very rough update.

 

Again, the tone is off here.

As above.

 

Just how pagan is this? Inocence through ignorance holds no truck with the Ecclesiorum

No Ecclesiarchy. They have no control over the planet as it is an Astartes world and before this, the Imperium/Ecclesiarchy had not discovered the planet as it is a frontier world.

 

How can death depend on the gravity of the crime if everyone is killed?

What I meant was if the crime didn't involve physical harm (assassination, etc...), a big theft, large property damage, etc... then it will not be punished by death. I guess I wasn't very clear, but then again, this is only a draft.

 

Thanks for that Alecto! :D

 

BBL

[Walter Payton]

Just how pagan is this? Inocence through ignorance holds no truck with the Ecclesiorum

No Ecclesiarchy. They have no control over the planet as it is an Astartes world and before this, the Imperium/Ecclesiarchy had not discovered the planet as it is a frontier world.

 

Not strictly true. If your homeworld deviates from the norm beyond respectable degrees, the deal's off, and the Ecclesiarchy can and will declare you to be heretics, and make entreaties to the Inquisition to do so. Of course, you aren't Excommunicate Traitoris until they say you are, but that won't stop the Ecclesiarchy attacking you, because unless and Inquisitor directly intervenes on your behalf (unlikely), they can just keep going.

[Dosjetka]

Just how pagan is this? Inocence through ignorance holds no truck with the Ecclesiorum

No Ecclesiarchy. They have no control over the planet as it is an Astartes world and before this, the Imperium/Ecclesiarchy had not discovered the planet as it is a frontier world.

 

Not strictly true. If your homeworld deviates from the norm beyond respectable degrees, the deal's off, and the Ecclesiarchy can and will declare you to be heretics, and make entreaties to the Inquisition to do so. Of course, you aren't Excommunicate Traitoris until they say you are, but that won't stop the Ecclesiarchy attacking you, because unless and Inquisitor directly intervenes on your behalf (unlikely), they can just keep going.

I do agree, but the main spirit-god will be the Emperor. He's the Morning Star, Keeper of the Stars and Master of the Skies. Is that still acceptable?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Just how pagan is this? Inocence through ignorance holds no truck with the Ecclesiorum

No Ecclesiarchy. They have no control over the planet as it is an Astartes world and before this, the Imperium/Ecclesiarchy had not discovered the planet as it is a frontier world.

 

Not strictly true. If your homeworld deviates from the norm beyond respectable degrees, the deal's off, and the Ecclesiarchy can and will declare you to be heretics, and make entreaties to the Inquisition to do so. Of course, you aren't Excommunicate Traitoris until they say you are, but that won't stop the Ecclesiarchy attacking you, because unless and Inquisitor directly intervenes on your behalf (unlikely), they can just keep going.

I do agree, but the main spirit-god will be the Emperor. He's the Morning Star, Keeper of the Stars and Master of the Skies. Is that still acceptable?

 

Yes, because they still worsip the Emperor but in avery tribal way.

 

EXAMPLE: It would be like the tribesmen of Deathworld venerating the Emperor as an animal spirit - say that big cats are really big and the main predator of the world. It deviates from what the Eccleisiarchy would like, but they don't go around saying the Big Fella' is the 5th Chaos God (although if he were the 5th Beatle...).

[Dosjetka]

Yes, because they still worsip the Emperor but in avery tribal way.

 

EXAMPLE: It would be like the tribesmen of Deathworld venerating the Emperor as an animal spirit - say that big cats are really big and the main predator of the world. It deviates from what the Eccleisiarchy would like, but they don't go around saying the Big Fella' is the 5th Chaos God (although if he were the 5th Beatle...).

Ok, good :) Thanks for that CJJ :)

[Dosjetka]

I have a question: How does the Imperium (Administratum, Inquisiton, etc...) check if an Astartes homeworld is "clean"?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

I have a question: How does the Imperium (Administratum, Inquisiton, etc...) check if an Astartes homeworld is "clean"?

 

Depends on your meaning, which I assume is a bit more than "have they been sweeping up?"

 

It depends on the type of world, but I believe it would be up to the Chapter on a more backward/feral world to determine if it's suitable.