Brother Clavero Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Does any know if there are any Space Wolf successor chapters and who they are? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrvat Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 There was only one. The ill fated warriors of Wolf Brothers created during the 2nd founding. They were disbanded due to genetic problems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2373310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Does any know if there are any Space Wolf successor chapters and who they are? There are no Space Wolf Successor Chapters. The only one ever attempted were the Wolf Brothers during the time of troubles that followed the Horus Heresy, the Chapter did not last long and was destroyed. Largely due to genetic instability, quite simply Space Wolves cannot recruit from any other planet than Fenris, and so no other successor Chapters have ever been made, nor could they be, they would go insane and destroy themselves within short order like the Wolf Brothers. Instead the Space Wolves have what are called "Lost Companies." They are Great Companies that for one reason or another have left the Fang and never returned. They cannot recruit so cannot grow and inevitably that means they die out within relatively short order but that can still take hundreds of years and its not known how many such Companies exist. Some find themselves too far from Fenris to return in a reasonable ammount of time so simply continue fighting without returning, others disagree with the Great Wolf and since their oaths are to the Emperor and Russ, not to the Great Wolf, they can choose to leave the Fang and conduct their affairs as they see fit. The Lost 13th Company that encompases all Lost Companies also includes those who have been lost in the warp, destroyed in battle or potentially turned renegade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2373496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 There is some controversy about the Red Wolves they are a 2nd founding successor chapter And its either Iron Hands or Space wolves that are responsible for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2384650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrvat Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Where did you get the information they are 2nd founding? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2384994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 There is some controversy about the Red Wolves they are a 2nd founding successor chapter And its either Iron Hands or Space wolves that are responsible for them. Red Wolves are a codex chapter, and other than the wolf head symbol theres nothing connecting the two. Where are you getting this idea? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamLando Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 I personally think that one of the coolest things about being a son of Russ is that we don't have any actual sucessor chapters, it fits really well with the whole feral and old traditional thing we've got going on :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophecy Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 What about the Emperor's Wolves? They were mentioned in an old Chaos codex, and I think I recall them having a wolf gene too. It's probably a chaotic mutation, since, as many others have pointed out, there was only one (very ill-fated) Successor Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Interestingly though the original Space Wolves, back when they were just the sixth Legion were Terrans, so I'm not quite sure how it doesn't work. I've heard it's the Canis Helix, but that's required to activate the geneseed, no? So if that is the case the original sixth Legion technically were not Space Wolves due to lacking a vital component of a Wolf. I don't know, my brain is curious Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem of the Wolf Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/List_of...Marine_Chapters this is where i found the info about the red wolves. its a wiki so take it how you like but i thought it was interesting. Its supposed to be a second founding chapter same as the wolf brothers so its entirely possible. Though I thought It had more GW documentation then it does on second look lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Interestingly though the original Space Wolves, back when they were just the sixth Legion were Terrans, so I'm not quite sure how it doesn't work. I've heard it's the Canis Helix, but that's required to activate the geneseed, no? So if that is the case the original sixth Legion technically were not Space Wolves due to lacking a vital component of a Wolf. I don't know, my brain is curious Actually, its that when you send a successor chapter out with about 90% of its men being wolf-bitten its going to degenerate quickly, spectacularly, and if your not a SW youll have no clue as to whats going on. Couple that with the warnings that Lemans Russ was giving the high lords about how his legion shouldnt be getting split up and it wouldnt work.... Yeah, wolves can be subtle when we want to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 if you are looking to do a space wolf themed army but with your own paint scheme or own history there are three options 1)Lost companies these are great companies which have left the space wolves and gone it on there own. I know that there was a lost company(in a white dwarf) which went on to conquer an empire in east of the galaxy. If you want one with your a long history, Maybe your lost company finds a planet which it can recruit from/ get given the equipment create new marines after proving its loyalty to the imperium but refusing to rejoin the space wolves(controversial but its your army your fluff) 2)You could do tribe of the 13th company. After all the 13th company "could" have been massive in size. Hey after 10,000 years maybe they develop their own personalty and style. This could have allow you your own paint scheme and history. 3)a secret chapter setup from the space wolf genetic material held the by the high lords of terra(this is a very controversial but hey its your army). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Seriously, does nobody search anymore? lol How many threads have we got about this sought of thing now? Wiki is hardly a reliable source of information, and after probably close to 10 years of playing Space Wolves and reading through whatever fluff I can get my hands on I've never heard even whispers of anything other then the WOlf Brothers... so no, there are no other chapters derived from the Space Wolves. The only thing I've seen close to it was a WD magazine that had a lot of Space Wolf players up in flames because one of the artists decided it would be cool to make a Red Corsair army based on being a group of traitor Space Wolves... but then even that is no successor chapter. ELT listed your best options... though that third idea would be quite likely to raise eyebrows and/or get you beaten with the copies of our collected fluff ;):D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Seriously, does nobody search anymore? lol How many threads have we got about this sought of thing now? Because sadly the search isn't as good as it could be. So people get a lot of junk and don't shift through it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Not to mention digging up random threads several months or a year old is frowned upon. A little new discussion now and again never hurts, even if some people think it comes up a bit often eh? I dont suppose all of you remember, but before this most recent codex came out we had a set list of rules debates, and we went through all 10-12 of them in the space of any given 3 months, as a response to the trickle of new SW players that would appear- this is nothing new. So, we present what we know, and we hope that now and again we learn something we didnt before... no big deal. But yeah- long and short, no successor chapters still in service, only one ever created. If you want to make a DIY SW chapter theres three main options: 1) Lost Company- they recanted their oaths of fealty 1,000 years ago and still fight on in the emperors name. 2) Similar, but different- Theyre Celtic Marines, Celestial Bears, etc. They use the SW codex because they have a similar fighting style/structure. 3) Change the fluff- You dont like that there are no SW successor chapters? Decide otherwise. Be prepared for backlash from many members of the community who think thats unnessecairily silly, but if its the only thing thatll work for you go for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeslikethunder Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 I think it was Sven ironhand who had an empire in the east finge maybe we should link the librarium article to top of page to help people find this info quickly http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...showarticle=178 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 There is some controversy about the Red Wolves they are a 2nd founding successor chapter And its either Iron Hands or Space wolves that are responsible for them. Red Wolves are a codex chapter, and other than the wolf head symbol theres nothing connecting the two. Where are you getting this idea? Agreed. No true son of Russ would ever use Guilliman's stupid book except to prop up his bed or table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 There is some controversy about the Red Wolves they are a 2nd founding successor chapter And its either Iron Hands or Space wolves that are responsible for them. Red Wolves are a codex chapter, and other than the wolf head symbol theres nothing connecting the two. Where are you getting this idea? Agreed. No true son of Russ would ever use Guilliman's stupid book except to prop up his bed or table. My Blood Claws rip out all the pages and then hide their Fenrisian Shield Maidens Gone Wild magazines in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Scourge Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Anyone know whats up with Skyrar's Dark Wolves? Just about anything with "Wolf" in it and no immediate background info can be claimed as related to SWs if you really wanted too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2385978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 Anyone know whats up with Skyrar's Dark Wolves? Just about anything with "Wolf" in it and no immediate background info can be claimed as related to SWs if you really wanted too. It could be that SW warband that "joined" the red corsairs or it could be another Sw great company that went rogue or it could just be a chaos warband with the eords wolves in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199258-space-wolf-succcessor-chaptors/#findComment-2386260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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