Karsus Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Hi, I'm currently building a Land Raider Crusader, and realized that there are two places to place the side-turret (front and back) on each side. Well, where do you brothers place your turret, and why? Is there any pros and cons for placing the turret front or back? Want to borrow the wisdom of old players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Either is technically valid and of course there are pros and cons to each placement. Namely if you place the turrets forward you have another Inch or two of range on most targets as in general you measure ranges from the weapon on the tank. However placing the weapons back gives you far more room to disembark models. This can be important if the tank has a full squad of Terminators or a ton of power armored marines in it. It's not always possible to pile 8 Terminators or 10-16 Power Armored models within 2" of the front hatch and with the side hatches behind the weapon mounts it can make getting squads out of the vehicle effectively tough sometimes. But doing so of course gives you a slight range disadvantage. In general though I prefere to put the weapons back, IMO it looks better, the lost range never really bothers me and I like having the extra space for disembarking troops which is particularly important when I fill a Crusader with Blood Claws as I am often keen to do. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2378621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 i assume you mean the sponsons... on a standard land raider i put the lasconnons on the rear as range is not n issue and its the standard look for them. for the assault raiders (redeemer and crusader) i put the flamer/bolter sponsons at the front as range is an issue an also its the way the pics show them :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2378622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 I always saw pictures with the crusaders sponsons to the front, and phobos with the lascannons on the rear... so thats how I model them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2378629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal105 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 on my redeemer /crusader(yes i use magnets) i put the side mounted weapons to the front and as for the disembarking troops with it there i have not had it be much of a problem as if you measure 2 inches from the doors and you find that their is an over lap right at the middle of the front sponsons and you can keep unit coherency by placing 1 model there and so on and it is nice to have that extra range on my firestorm cannon's template. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2378663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VorpalDoom Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Magnets! For the flavour of your feel on that specific day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2378732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewolflars Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 I put all of mine forward for a few reasons. 1. The idea of getting out the side is a little more appealing to the troops when there is not a huge gun or battery of bolters firing through the space that you are going through. On the table top this translates to fewer arguments as to whether your grey hunters are giving a cover save to the guns' targets. 1a. If you need to you can still overlap the disembarkation zone for the front door and the rear side door. 2. It is a little bit easier to get the guns' firing arcs to over-lap in front of the Land raider. 3. I think it looks cooler with the guns mounted further forward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 "The idea of getting out the side is a little more appealing to the troops when there is not a huge gun or battery of bolters firing through the space that you are going through. On the table top this translates to fewer arguments as to whether your grey hunters are giving a cover save to the guns' targets" This was my thinking as well. So all guns are forward of loading doors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Building my first LRC/LRR today actually. I'm glad this post came up, because I had the exact same question. ;) Thanks brothers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Forward hatches on my LRC, as it does not make sense to grant the enemy any more chance to survive than they bring to the fight themselves... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilbob Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 For standard and crusaders, I put weapons on the rear but for Redeemers I put them on the front, wanna make sure the templates hit everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 I am the same as Vash113, I put them at the back on crusaders as it looks better IMO, It does have the drawback of range and with weapons with 24" range every inch counts. But I am more about the modelling and painting side then the gaming so it suits me fine (ideally I should magnatise them so I can change it when i Play) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 I put all of mine forward for a few reasons. 1. The idea of getting out the side is a little more appealing to the troops when there is not a huge gun or battery of bolters firing through the space that you are going through. On the table top this translates to fewer arguments as to whether your grey hunters are giving a cover save to the guns' targets. I thought about that as well, while modeling the Redeemer. "Bob, why did the Mechanicum put these giant flame throwers right next to the hatch?" "Lowest bid Forge World, Jerry." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrchief33 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 From a gaming perspective, you'd probably want a Crusader's turrets on the forward doors. Every GW image I've seen of it has them on the rear doors though. Crusader I guess you could go either way, LRR is easily forward for me. Standard LR really doesn't matter I guess, they are lascannons... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Front for Redeemers, give the templates as much range as possible, rear for the rest as I feel it looks better, and on the LRC I like to be able to wrap the Blood Claws around the front of the LRC as the deploy out of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Not a son of Russ But I put My Godhammer Lascans on the Back and any LRC/R I use on the front hatches so I can get the most out of my flamestorms and A slightly better chance at getting the Hurrican Bolters into Double Tap Range :( Also I am confused about something I can get 14 DC out the front ramp and still retain the 2" thing and I alsot thought guns on the back doors were silly Who really wants to get out infront of the things spitting death at you enemys :D. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Hmmm, maybe it's just the way I pose my minis :(. I can never seem to fit them all in 2" of the assault ramp on the front. My usual method is simply to wrap them in a semi-circle around the front of the LRC that is 2 models in width (so two lines of 8 models - 15 B.Claws + the HQ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordekiem Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Hmmm, maybe it's just the way I pose my minis :(. I can never seem to fit them all in 2" of the assault ramp on the front. My usual method is simply to wrap them in a semi-circle around the front of the LRC that is 2 models in width (so two lines of 8 models - 15 B.Claws + the HQ) Remember only the edge of the base needs to be within 2" of the door. so you really have a nearly 3" deployment zone, even moreso with the larger termi bases. If you stagger the rows slightly you can go three deep on the standard base. If you have a terminator model with a group of bloodclaws put the termi out front. Will also increase your assault range a little. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199713-where-on-land-raiderall-variants-do-you-place-the-turret/#findComment-2379956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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