Levitas Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Ok, so my BA playing buddie and I are up for a doubles contest. Every year we get close with 3rd and 2nd placings. This year with a shiny new red dex for him and thunder wolves for me we are surely in with a shot. We have sensible lists, but then I have this crazy idea. Its 1250pts each with ablities stacking, so yeah, FNP thunder wolves are on the way. But What if I take 4 Thunder Wolf mounted lords and he takes Mephiston and Sanguinor, and a Sang priest in there to buff. I penciled a list and he is working his today.. [i]The 4 Wolfman of the Apocalyps[/i]e 1250pts HQ Wolf Lord T-wolf, hammer, SS, fen wolf Wolf Lord T-wolf, frost, runic armor, belt of russ Wolf Lord T-wolf, power weapon, runic armor, belt of russ, melta bomb Wolf Lord T-wolf, frost, SS, fen wolf TROOP Grey Hunters x 5man Melta, Rhino Grey Hunters x 5man Melta, Rhino HEAVY Long Fangs X 4 Missiles x 3 Long Fangs X 4 Missiles x 3 Blood Angels psycho list!: 1250 Mephiston 250 The Sanguinor 275 Sanguinary Priests x 2 100 Assault Sq x 5 190 Melta gun, PF Razorback w TLAC Assault Sq x 5 190 Melta gun, PF Razorback w TLAC Attack Bike with MM 50 Attack Bike with MM 50 Vindicator 145 Its pretty fast but incredible elite and low on troops, we'd be playing for the table most games. Its a local tournament, hardly ard boyz, but last time there was lash of submission combined with jaws of the wolf from the winning team (get in that conga-line boys!) We came 2nd with a balanced list. Crazy enough to work or destined to bomb? Either way, a lot of fun right? :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 In my 3k points game i have coming up, i was very tempted to run something similar, except i dont have any TWM :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2381738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 In any doubles game, no army can confure it's abilities to it's allies. Unless specially said so i believe. Houserules are different. thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2381761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levitas Posted April 29, 2010 Author Share Posted April 29, 2010 In any doubles game, no army can confure it's abilities to it's allies. Unless specially said so i believe.Houserules are different. thanks antique_nova Indeed. The local store runs 2 kinds of doubles, one sensible where abilities dont stack and one where all hell breaks loose..this is the latter. We've already checked and my thunder wolves can be buffed by sang priests furious charge and FNP. Ouch. I do believe the Sanguinor gives out extra attacks too. There are prizes and an entrance fee so its not a true mess around, but does explore the more broken combinations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2381777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Having logan drop near them and ragnar, would make them unbeleavably sicking. Is it 1500 points each and what is the FOC for you guys? thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2381899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 How many points are you allowed each and is it standard FOC for each of you? Having the TWC with ragnar if possible and sanguinior close by. It would be sickening. Is forgeworld allowed, having a vanguard vet squad or a wolf guard squad with power weapons or frost axes with ragnar would deliver a sickening crunch anywhere on the field if you pack in a lucius pattern drop pod. thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2381904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Makes more sense pointwise to get normal TWC than HQs If the normal TWC gain furious charge and FNP they provide more bang than a single WL with respect to MEQs I might replace 1 or 2 HQs with TWC squads of 4 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 BTW Love this idea. Uber attacky and Uber counter attacky... oh ya~! Sounds like a whole lot of fun. Even if it bombs the carnage you both will sew will be awesome! One question though. Your Long Fangs 3x with 3 ML. Don't you need to have the Squad Leader with the LF's? If I'm wrong, my bad. I am a newb as I've only been into 40k for a yr or so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonslayer Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 One question though. Your Long Fangs 3x with 3 ML. Don't you need to have the Squad Leader with the LF's? I was thinking that. I agree with TiguriusX, you could take 2 HQ's and have 2 TWC squads of 2 to use as body Guard. As Std you get, +6 A, +2 W overall, But -2 WS, -1 I, -2 Ld Also why not upgrade both Rhinos to Razorbacks for only 10pts gives more shots to help those GH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levitas Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 ** Updated the 1st post with the BA list ** Ah, wisdom from the wolves! You are totally right, it is better to take regular TWC & 2 WL instead of 4 HQ, and then crank upto razors maybe?. My only issue with that is getting out the razor to do melta attacks. We need tank poppers, so the drive-by melta might be a better option. I've also corrected the long fangs, the pack leader is of course compulsory. My bad. While Ragnar is a beast I dont want to pay the points to keep him mobile, the others can all move at speed, and this is one list that does not want to get caught in the open. The FOC is standard for each of us, so no sharing or weirdness there. There is enough of that with buffs. This promises to be so much fun. I need to work out what to do with the points saved from downgrading 2 WL to TWC. SUggestions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Thats an extra 100 points yea? (dont have my Codex handy) Are objectives an element of these games? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levitas Posted April 30, 2010 Author Share Posted April 30, 2010 Thats an extra 100 points yea? (dont have my Codex handy) Are objectives an element of these games? About that I think WL is 100 base, TWC is 50. Might be a Rune priest in the mix? Yes, the missions usually take a spin on the basics. The KP mission is altered so that you have to secretly nominate a player on the opposite side and only they provide KPs. So they try and keep the scenarios team based. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WulfenBrother Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 I thought you could only have one belt of russ in your army? "correction" It doesn't say it in the dex so nevermind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 There is a ton of options really. A rune Priest would most defiantly be an option. I personally would look at max'ing the GH squads potential. Up one ot 10 man, give it some nice gear and a second melta gun, would make it a much better Armour chasing squad. Alternativly, if they are to hunt armour, you could stick both squads in razorbacks and camp objectives, using TLLC's to destroy your targets. You could also get 3 Wolf Guard, 2 with powerfists and combi-melta and a third with TDA, storm shield and chainfist. drop the first 2 into the GH squads, and run the termie near the sang priests, he'll be very close to a Lone wolf! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 I would argue the sanguinary priests WOULD affect the Space Wolves - the wording is affects 'friendly' units. I'd also it'd affect your team mates units in a doubles game. Lame, I know. It should say "Affects Blood Angels units." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Personally, I'd rather do a shooty list than an assualty list. 3 fast preds + 3 baals + long fang squads = lots of cheap effective shooty. Add some razorspam in there and you've got a nasty firestorm with nasty counterassualt. If you do go assaulty, I'd seriously think about Skyclaws/Swiftclaws lead by Unleash Rage libby and a priest. That's a lot of I5, S5, rerollable attacks combined with high speed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Personally, I'd rather do a shooty list than an assualty list. 3 fast preds + 3 baals + long fang squads = lots of cheap effective shooty. Add some razorspam in there and you've got a nasty firestorm with nasty counterassualt. If you do go assaulty, I'd seriously think about Skyclaws/Swiftclaws lead by Unleash Rage libby and a priest. That's a lot of I5, S5, rerollable attacks combined with high speed. That is a good point. From the look of your list you are both going with small elite forces This means hordes that tarpit are a big tactical issue. The BA player could get some Baal Predators to address that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2382977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 I prefer the original list with WL on TW,awsome, solid hero's is the way to go, I would in my mind pretend they are actually wolf gaurd and so awsome are SW that their WG are better than nilla marine captains. But dont listen to me i always lose at tournies, mostly on purpose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2383275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levitas Posted May 1, 2010 Author Share Posted May 1, 2010 Ah, I am still running this round in my head. We are going hero hammer for the sake of pure fun. In true space wolf tradition of a good punch up. I play a very shooty list when in sensible mode, so this is to let loose the carnage up close. I love shooty wolf builds, have more rockets than the 4th of july in my 1850. But we are trying to add some commonsense to it, if only a hint. I'm thinking two super WLs one with warrior born and a frost blade to thin hordes and one with bear, hammer SS to go toe to toe with big HQs. Give them fen wolves too. Then take 2 regular TWC that are buffed by the sanguinary priests. I really like your suggestions there, just need to make those saved points work, and ten man GHs are so solid. A Rune priest with JoTWW would be handy to take out the big slow bugs or a few nob bikers. Stuff that will give the super hero quartet trouble. Mephiston and the Sanguinor are monsters, and he even got a vindi in there too. He could go flame baal, so need to play test to see which will work best. He has a tendency to get his troops killed and run at stuff, must be the thirst! So razorback home troops are tempting, but I cant let him have all the fun with the chapters honor at stake, well at least in kill tally. Thanks for some really helpful feedback, the combination of these 2 chapters will surely bring home the win in a messy manor. That much is certain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2383979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonslayer Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 Just don't get your jugs mixed up, the only blood we need are from our steaks and the enemy's blood. Of course Ork blood is the best as it has more booze in it :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2384228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levitas Posted May 1, 2010 Author Share Posted May 1, 2010 Ok, revised list and need a few suggestions on what to get for the remaining 190pts. With the buffs from the BA priests I opted against taking 4 thunder wolf mounted wolf lords as first planed. Now taking 2 'super' lords and 2 regular TWC as 'side kicks'. My model options are somewhat limited, so I have the following to possibly fill the 190. Any thoughts? * Another 5 man GH with melta/rhino * Rune Priest & 4 man long fangs with MLs * Another Thunder wolf & 5 man GH with melta/rhino * Fen wolves Heres what I have so far before the extra 190pts needed to make it upto 1250. HQ Thunder lord - Eryk Dawnchaser - The Relentless Hunter (230) Frost blade, runic armor,storm shield, thunder wolf, saga of the warrior, fen wolf Thunder lord - Egil Ironrain - The Slayer (255) Thunder hammer, runic armor,storm shield, thunder wolf, saga of the beast slayer, fen wolf, WTN FAST TWC x1- thunderwolf, storm shield, power weapon (95) TWC x1- thunderwolf, CCW, storm shield (80) TROOP Greyhunters - 5 man (110) 1 meltagun - Rhino Greyhunters - 5 man (110) 1 meltagun - Rhino HEAVY Long Fangs -4 man (90) 3 missle launchers, pack leader with bolt pistol,(CCW, frag & krak) Long Fangs -4 man (90) 3 missle launchers, pack leader with bolt pistol,(CCW, frag & krak Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/199968-crazy-doubles-idea-with-sw-bas/#findComment-2384443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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