Saint Celestine

[BaronTuman]

Here's the rule from her Miraculous Intervention rule.

 

"... she is removed from the table and placed in reserve. Begin rolling for her to reappear on the next Witch Hunters turn - on that turn, she will arrive on a d6 roll of 4+, the turn after that a 3+, and so on, as per normal Reserve rules."

 

It goes on to say that the roll may not be modified by wargear.

 

Page 94 of the rule book states:

 

"On turn 2 the player needs a 4+ for a unit to arrive, and so on until turn 5, when any units left will arrive automatically (see the Reserves table on this page)"

 

I can see arguments on both sides of this, so I'm asking a general consensus of how people think it should be played.

[number6]

It seems to me the intention is that she has a 4+ chance on the turn following her demise, 3+ after that, etc. And that the reserves roll gets reset to 4+ every time she's killed.

 

I see what you mean by "seeing both sides" ... but I think the intention of the rule is very clear.

 

My $.02.

[Justicar Valius]

A rules lawyer could get away with this at a tourney but if you spring this in a pick up a game or friendly you will see me packing ym army back into the case as you are not the kind of guy I want to play in friendlys or pick up games.

 

Simple :geek:

[Inquisitor Fox]

The question here becomes does she come in automatically on turn 5 because it's turn 5, or because the dice roll reached 1+? Personally I would be inclined to say she shows up automatically if the die roll reaches 1+ (after going through 4, 3, 2, 1 etc) as opposed to turn 5.

 

Definately something you'd think would be FAQ'd especially as theoretically the WH Codex would be referencing v3 rules as opposed to v5. Gotta love it! Stuff like this is why I tend to not use special characters...

[Toogeloo]

The way I interpret it is that the first time she rolls is 4+ as if it's the first time she is rolling for reserve rules. It counts down (4+, 3+, 2+...) as per normal reserve rules, the only difference is the turn after is when the 4+ starts, and not actually Turn 2 when it starts.

 

If you break it down, it makes perfect sense...

 

 

Part 1:

... she is removed from the table and placed in reserve. Begin rolling for her to reappear on the next Witch Hunters turn - on that turn, she will arrive on a d6 roll of 4+

 

Part 2:

the turn after that a 3+, and so on, as per normal Reserve rules.

 

Meaning the first turn after her death is 4+ and counts down from there like normal reserve rules.

 

 

This would also mean to me that she can be hindered/enhanced by units that add or remove to the Reserve roll such as Master of the Fleet I would think, since it is considered a Reserves roll.

[BaronTuman]

Thanks for the opinions everyone. It is a potential idea for Ard Boyz, but I'd rather lose all my games than have people think of me as "that guy". :) Which is why I asked here instead of waiting for the game, or almost as bad, bugging the tournament judge about it.

 

BTW, her rules specifically say that the roll cannot be affected by war-gear and such, and if anyone decided that the were going to say that Master of the Fleet isn't wargear, then I'll claim that she comes in automatically on turn 5! Sounds fair don't you thing? LOL

 

Anyway, I agree that the intent of the rule would probably not allow her to come in automatically. But who's to know for sure eh?