Bjorn an effective Hq?

[Demonslayer]

With my new found psychic ability I knew you was gonna say that :P And may I suggest that you confiscate some Dark Angel ones as I believe they would be in better condition and do need a new paint job :ph34r:

[rodgambit]

Ya I've run them footslogging before but without the extra scout ability, fearless with MotW and move through cover they just aren't as an effective foot force with the new codex, plus with rhinos being so cheap now its not like you get a bunch of extra bodies on the table for the cost of 2 rhinos. I did some really nice TWC conversions where I have a wulfen model running along side a wolf on a 60mm base and mixed chaos marauders with a box of space wolves to make some pretty cool scouts. Now I just need to paint all these models..heh

[Requiem of the Wolf]

*snickers* this makes me think of the second triple X movie.

 

"Welcome to the Warp's first Tank Jacking!"

[TiguriusX]

*snickers* this makes me think of the second triple X movie.

 

"Welcome to the Warp's first Tank Jacking!"

 

LOL see this is why we use veterans in our scout squads. An initiate would just screw it up.

 

The veterans get to have some fun and "appropriate" some new equipment in the process

 

Win win!

[Wispy]

So just finished an interesting game versus Tau with Bjorn, armed with a lascannon. it was an objective game, and he was in an awesome position. I sent Bjorn back home objective mid-game - blew up a devil fish, assaulted his drones, and killed the fire warriors the next. I crippled my opponents mobility with some other units, and my opponent was so worried about giving me a second objective, that Bjorn was free to fire and pick off whatever he wanted from home, every turn. He never missed.

 

 

 

Reason for the lascannon - 10 points cheaper then to upgrade another dread with one.

[TiguriusX]

Reason for the lascannon - 10 points cheaper then to upgrade another dread with one.

 

Bjorn's PC is free though so it contributes to the cost of the LC on the other dread :)

[Ikken]

just ran into him in a game last night . it was a 3 way kill point match with some bonus objectives . it was me , another sw player and a gray hunter / guard player

hi killed my TDA lone wolf, a squad of 4 tda wolf guard , a TDA wolflord , and caused a squad of gray hunters with a wolf priest to run away .

my scouts finally piled in and killed him in the last turn . av13 in cc is a bugger .

[Coverfire]

Anyone run Bjorn with 2-3 Support Dreads (Ven or not) at 1500 points?

 

I was looking at fielding something like that tonight.

 

HQ

- Bjorn, Plasma Cannon

 

Elite

- x2 Ven Dread's, Assault Cannon's, DCCW

- Dread, TWL Lascannon, Missle Laucher

 

Troop

x3 Grey Hunters full Packs in Rhinos, and special weapons options.

 

Don't have codex on me so not entirely certain on points, but I guestimate it to be at around 1,440

[Aeddon]

You're up to about 1300 so far. I'd replace the Ven Dreads AC with MM and put them in droppods. I'd also give your standard Dread two TL Autocannons. That's how I typically run mine and they're great!

 

Bjorn can be a pretty effective HQ but he really needs to sync with the rest of your army. Hold him close to your side of the table and if you've got the points put an IP behind him for that lucky shot your opponent might get.

[Stormbrow II]

Reason for the lascannon - 10 points cheaper then to upgrade another dread with one.

I'll still pay for this so that I can get a shot off and stand a decent chance at cracking open AV 12+. Asscans are too unreliable while PC are troop killers but I have other stuff for that.

 

@Coverfire: I have to ask how you hope to blow Tanks away at range? You have 2 Ven Dreads that only reach 24" while Bjorn's PC isn't that helpful against most tanks. You have a single Dread that is supposed to keep the tide at bay until your Rhinos get up close. If anyone is playing this list they'd target the Dread (all you have to do is stun it) and then turn on the Rhinos and force your GH to footslog across the field. Assuming that the other player has mech, he'll be well able to drive off and pick your Dreads apart before swamping the GH.

 

Your list really needs more LRAT.

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

Anyone run Bjorn with 2-3 Support Dreads (Ven or not) at 1500 points?

 

I was looking at fielding something like that tonight.

 

HQ

- Bjorn, Plasma Cannon

 

Elite

- x2 Ven Dread's, Assault Cannon's, DCCW

- Dread, TWL Lascannon, Missle Laucher

 

Troop

x3 Grey Hunters full Packs in Rhinos, and special weapons options.

 

Don't have codex on me so not entirely certain on points, but I guestimate it to be at around 1,440

 

I do, my tourny list is

 

Bjorn

Rune Priest, Runic Armour, Chooser of the Slain, Saga of the Beast slayer, Wolf Tooth

 

Dreadnought, Twin Las, Armour, Wolf Tooth, Heavy Flamer

Dreadnought, Twin Las, Armour, Wolf Tooth

3 Wolf Guards, Power Fist, Combi Melta

 

8 Grey Hunter, MotW, PW, Melta

Rhino, Dozer Blade, Armour

5 Grey Hunter, MotW, PW, Melta

Razorback, Dozer Blade, Armour, twin las

5 Grey Hunter, MotW, PW, Melta

Razorback, Dozer blade, armour, twin las

 

Total - 1499

 

So far in the 43 games I play Bjorn has done really well. It is rarely for him to take to much damnge, I think 90% he been fine, apart from my abuilty to roll a good difficult terrain test for him. Alway done the job, be it holding up units (Blood Crusher), to just blasting unit apart with his Plasma cannon.

 

During games Bjorn mange to take on Lysander, unit of Thuder hammer terminators (made the flee of the table), Elrad, Tzeentch Daemon Prince, Slannesh Daemon Prince, half of a Nids force from gaunts to some of the stronger monster.

 

While rest of the force just help out, keep together to make use of his saga for re-roll Lds, also do not want to loss my honour by letting Bjorn fall into the oppent hand.

 

His destroyed count as a object rule dose help, more so in the home & away mission in the rule book. Alway hate how that one will alway be a draw.

 

Been pretty happy how he dose in games, you just need to be careful when you ask for that re-roll when the oppent it take him down.

 

For weapon wise, I will alway stick with the Plasma cannon, as other memeber have said, it free. Also Bs6 Blast, with 5th ed having a lot more cover save these days, I rather try to make my oppent make as many save as possible if I am not in range to launch a assault with my Grey Hunter or Dreadnought. Want to try blast them with Bjorn, Razorback, Rune Priest & Dreadnoughts.

 

He dose cost a lot, but like I said I found him worth it & work as part of the army. Just got to be careful with those re-roll, can alway go against you (say he got Weapon destroyed because of a penatrating (sp?) hit, re-roll then boom!!!)

 

IP

[rodgambit]

I'm going to try and play a game tonight with him. My 1250 list that I posted earlier was Bjorn, Long Fangs, Grey Slayers and a pack of Fen wolves. I decided to swap the 80 points on Fen Wolves for an Iron Priest and 3 thralls. I'm going to attempt to use the IP to repair Bjorn or my 2 TLLC Razorbacks and then use them as a counter charge unit if need be. Hopefully it goes well :)

[Lord Ragnarok]

@IP, with re-rolls on dreads I typically only have the result re-rolled where I may need to blow something up and a ranged weapon destroyed will prevent me from winning.

[Gentlemanloser]

Every game I field him in, he dies in the first or second turn.

 

Granted, so much fire is directed towards him (bar the unlucky first turn Krak missile that hit, Penetrated, Invulnerable was failed and a 4 was rolled. The venerable reroll came up 6...), but the drawbacks can hurt.

 

I've lost a match down to his extra objective, and gaining Fearless isn't a great trade off, when you're using Majesty and Stubborn for CC Moral.

 

I feel he's a little too costy for what he actually does.

 

Reduce his price a little, or get rid of the drawbacks when he dies, and he'd become a very nice HQ.

 

I'd *always* take a TWM Wolf Lord over Bjorn.

[Grey Mage]

Howre you gettinst stubborn? We have one option to get it in the entire codex, unless your running an 188pt model my himself.

[Karack Blackstone]

I sometimes get to play my 1500 pt list, which has four dreads, none of them Ven, but it's a fun list for me. That's the key, if Bjorn is fun for you with the army you play around him, then by all means, go for it.

 

The list I can post if requested. It does have the problem of no Wolf Guard, something I am thinking of reworking.

 

I will point out that it can be very effective to have Bjorn out there, but at the same time, quite bad in an objective game. And Fearless can work against you sometimes.

 

I still stick to my previous post of PC best if you need Anti-troop, and I will also say that TLLC Is great for anti tank. After thinking about it, the points cost tends to work itself out, although it would be nice if he were more beneficially created in our favor. He's not, so that is what it is.

[Wispy]

Howre you gettinst stubborn? We have one option to get it in the entire codex, unless your running an 188pt model my himself.

He could be running Logan Grimnar...

 

 

Again, Bjorn's death 'drawback' can win games for you just as easily as lose them.

[TiguriusX]

I sometimes get to play my 1500 pt list, which has four dreads, none of them Ven, but it's a fun list for me. That's the key, if Bjorn is fun for you with the army you play around him, then by all means, go for it.

 

The list I can post if requested. It does have the problem of no Wolf Guard, something I am thinking of reworking.

 

I will point out that it can be very effective to have Bjorn out there, but at the same time, quite bad in an objective game. And Fearless can work against you sometimes.

 

I still stick to my previous post of PC best if you need Anti-troop, and I will also say that TLLC Is great for anti tank. After thinking about it, the points cost tends to work itself out, although it would be nice if he were more beneficially created in our favor. He's not, so that is what it is.

 

This thread had me thinking up Bjorn lists at 1500 points and the lack of WG was the biggest problem I ran up against.

 

It was then I realized that Bjorn has another bonus that is often overlooked...the Saga of Majesty! Bjorn help offset the basic LD of the GHs in his area.

[Karack Blackstone]

My list isn't too bad, I'd wager, but the lack of WG with PFists is a bit of an issue. Just not enough of one that it's really anymore unfun to face losing as opposed to I just like the list.

 

Yea, within --- you get to reroll failed leadership tests. Not too shabby.

 

Edit: Check the codex for the range please, not sure if it's a violation to post the distance...

[Simo429]

tried my first game with him and i cant say that he totally earned his points back but he was good

 

took him with the plasma cannon against necrons, I kept him quite far back in a fire support role and I have to say that he never one scattered because of the outstanding ballistic skill he has however he hardly killed a lot3 necron warriors and a couple of wraiths, what he did do well was cause my opponent to change his plan because he dare not move out of cover, he kept his forces spread out and his flayed ones ran at the sight of bjorn approaching

[Brother Captain Kezef]

If Bjorn could use a drop pod, I'd include him in evey list

[rodgambit]

I used Bjorn in my 1250 last night. I ran 2 games against my buddy who was trying out a demons list. The plasma cannon never scattered more than 2 inches and was very reliable. He destroyed a lesser demon in game one and a greater demon in game two in close combat and contested an objective in game two which lead to a tie. First game I won 2-0 (poor deep strike deployment by him) and second game was 1-1. Overall I liked using him and will be building my own from that forgeworld dread at some point.