Son of Rawl Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Mkay I do like the fluff about Dante being the oldest living space marine to date and getting bored of everything but what gets me are his rules. Now Dante is the Chapter Master all other Chapter Masters look to, even Tu'Shan and Calgar defer leadership to him when he is around, and it sounds nit picky but why couldn't we have something to show this on the table top. Granted it is fun having him with hit and run and no scatter deep strike but call me a fluff nazi but I would of preffered him having something like Rites of Battle or an upgraded God of War rule that Calgar has. Anyone else thought this or not even caring lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcm979 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 A more Blood Angels-themed God of War might be the option to choose whether your squads fail or succeed their Red Thirst test. Also, is there anyone in the world who doesn't think he should've had Eternal Warrior? Apart from Ward, of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Also, is there anyone in the world who doesn't think he should've had Eternal Warrior? Apart from Ward, of course. Raises hand. I think Eternal Warrior is getting handed out too often now and should be extremely limited. I'm hoping the next few codexes don't include it. If any BA should have it, its Mephiston. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I disagree. If anyone should have it it's Dante. He is the Form of "Eternal Warrior" in fluff and game. But I do agree that it's been handed out a bit much. Yet, if Lysander (really?!) can get it then Mephiston should have as well. What bothers me is that EW can be purchased in the SW Codex. That was just begging to be burned out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcm979 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Mephy? The guy who got trapped under rubble for a week? You do realise that by that standard there are a group of chinese miners who are immune to Instant Death? Also, I disagree with being stingy with Eternal Warrior because it's been used poorly before. That's making new armies suffer for the mistakes of old ones, and decreasing their competitiveness to boot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I disagree. If anyone should have it it's Dante. He is the Form of "Eternal Warrior" in fluff and game. But I do agree that it's been handed out a bit much. Yet, if Lysander (really?!) can get it then Mephiston should have as well. What bothers me is that EW can be purchased in the SW Codex. That was just begging to be burned out. See, personally I don't think any space marine/chaos space marine should have eternal warrior, with the exceptions of Mephiston and Abaddon. I don't think Lysander should have it or Calgar, or any Space wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Lim_Dul Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Mephy? The guy who got trapped under rubble for a week? You do realise that by that standard there are a group of chinese miners who are immune to Instant Death? True, but it doesn't help them much because they only have 1 wound each. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SincaiN Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 But with Meph's high toughness what's going to instant him? Str maxes at 10 :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 But with Meph's high toughness what's going to instant him? Str maxes at 10 :lol: Well, force weapons for one. Other items that cause instant death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcm979 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Perhaps there needs to be a rule in-between Feel No Pain and Eternal Warrior to represent named characters being harder to kill. Maybe the ability for the defender to re-roll Instant Death? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SincaiN Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 True but that is at least limited :) At least he's not going to take a Las to the face and turn to ash .. he doesn't have EW but does have a limited chance to be instant killed and is harder to wound. I'm fine with him not having EW .. I'd rather have an Iron Halo ;) But for Dante .. he is the Eternal Warrior .. so it would really only make sense. To me at least Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I disagree. If anyone should have it it's Dante. He is the Form of "Eternal Warrior" in fluff and game. But I do agree that it's been handed out a bit much. Yet, if Lysander (really?!) can get it then Mephiston should have as well. What bothers me is that EW can be purchased in the SW Codex. That was just begging to be burned out. See, personally I don't think any space marine/chaos space marine should have eternal warrior, with the exceptions of Mephiston and Abaddon. I don't think Lysander should have it or Calgar, or any Space wolf. ^^ x2, more or less. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted May 5, 2010 Author Share Posted May 5, 2010 Eternal Warrior on Mephiston would be extremely over kill considering his high Toughness so nothing can really instant kill him unless it is a special item, the reason he may of not got it was to give the oponent a chance to actually kill him. Dante on the other hand not having it is another matter though, it maybe because he is supposed to be used in quick assaults and not drawn out slug fests, Hit and Run is a stand in for it in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2388987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayorDaley Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I agree that Dante should've gotten EW, but what really cheeses me is the Sang. guard as troops. I would've liked Vet. squads as troops much more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamar Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Has anyone else notice that Dante doesnt have fearless? I found that odd when reading through his rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 A guy who lived more then 1000 years doen'st have Eternal Warrior? What the hell?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor1234 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 personally I thought 40k needed a rule like EW since 3rd, these BIG characters like calgar need this rule not only to be more fluffy ( I remember reading a story back in 3rd about calgar going toe-to-toe with a carnifex and winnig without suffereing much dmage, yet in 3rd the carnifex flicked him before he even got an attack, and he died) I dont think that Mephy or Dante should have EW Mephy is 'HARD' enough without it, Dante on the other hand is getting on a bit, although he is not frail and weak, he probably does take some time to heal from his wounds..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Maybe Dante had, between his 600th and 1050th year as Chapter Master, Eternal Warrior. Now, however, he's getting tired. He's planning on retiring to that little sanctum he saw last month. He's laying down the EW flag and accepting his mortality with a grim stoicism. Insult form: Dante's so old he's out-aged Eternity! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Losing Fearless in 5th is actually a boon in my opinion, as No Retreat! is pretty awful, and Fearless would actually contradict his Hit and Run rule (at least in a thematic sense, if not gameplay wise). As far as the chapter master not having Eternal Warrior, I'm on the side of the fence that says this rule got over-handed out in this edition (in general), and the backlash from that is armies like 'Nids getting it mostly removed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcm979 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Maybe Dante had, between his 600th and 1050th year as Chapter Master, Eternal Warrior.Now, however, he's getting tired. He's planning on retiring to that little sanctum he saw last month. He's laying down the EW flag and accepting his mortality with a grim stoicism. Insult form: Dante's so old he's out-aged Eternity! Then I suggest the new special rules: 'I'm Too Old For This' and 'Get Off My Lawn'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haunter! Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Dante on the other hand is getting on a bit, although he is not frail and weak, he probably does take some time to heal from his wounds..... Exactly what I was thinking. His entry even says that he feels he's lived too long and is just waiting for his final battle. Eternal Warrior would contradict his flavor a bit. Then I suggest the new special rules: 'I'm Too Old For This' and 'Get Off My Lawn'. Like the "Seen It All" rule from the fan-dex? That one was great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Exactly what I was thinking. His entry even says that he feels he's lived too long and is just waiting for his final battle. Eternal Warrior would contradict his flavor a bit. I agree. Eternal is defined as: without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing; perpetual; ceaseless; endless. Fluff-wise, by that definition I don't think it covers Dante or any other Space Marine. If anything Dante should have a rule like Mega-Ultra-Super-Experienced Warrior. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcm979 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Like the "Seen It All" rule from the fan-dex? That one was great. The pardon from the whichy-who? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knyx Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Its hard to complain about not getting Eternal Warrior when Khârn gets ID'd by a power-fist. I mean, HE is the Eternal warrior. Not just for hitting things with an axe for ~10,100 years, but because he really did die and was raised from the dead by Khorne. For the sole purpose of continuing to hit things with his axe. When Khârn gets it, I'll feel better about being annoyed Meph and Dante don't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haunter! Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Like the "Seen It All" rule from the fan-dex? That one was great. The pardon from the whichy-who? There was a rumor going about before the actual release that Dante would have a rule that allowed you to contest for outflanking. If you won, your opponent would have to bring his reserves in from his standard deployment zone. It was worded as if Dante had seen so many different tactics in his day that he couldn't be out-smarted like that and had prepared for every type of problem the whipper-snappers could throw at him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200542-commander-dante/#findComment-2389395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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