Commander Dante

[Pcm979]

Ah, now that sounds pretty good. Maybe it didn't get in because Corbulo already has an ability in broadly the same category.

[Priest33]

Still think there should be a "AhhhH! my hip!" rule for Dante. When he deep strikes roll the scatter dice, if a hit is shown he takes a wound as his ganky hip breaks again.

 

or perhaps a "Back in my day....." At the start of the battle Dante must FAIL a leadership test in order to realise battle is actualy happening, if he PASS's the test remove the model for d3 turns.

 

or maybe "Where did I put my keys...": Start of the battle roll a d6 for each vehical in your army, on the roll of a 1 the vehichal is considered immobilised for the first turn only.

 

:sweat:

[Brother Perun]

Has anyone else notice that Dante doesnt have fearless? I found that odd when reading through his rules.

 

yup....it sucks!

[KhorneHunter57x]

Has anyone else notice that Dante doesnt have fearless? I found that odd when reading through his rules.

 

yup....it sucks!

Hope he doesn't look in the mirror while wearing the Death Mask :wub:

[Grimtooth]

I disagree. If anyone should have it it's Dante. He is the Form of "Eternal Warrior" in fluff and game. But I do agree that it's been handed out a bit much. Yet, if Lysander (really?!) can get it then Mephiston should have as well.

 

What bothers me is that EW can be purchased in the SW Codex. That was just begging to be burned out.

 

Only one model in a SW army can have Eternal Warrior via Saga of the Bear. That is not burn out.

[Hazard]

Its hard to complain about not getting Eternal Warrior when Khârn gets ID'd by a power-fist. I mean, HE is the Eternal warrior.

 

Not just for hitting things with an axe for ~10,100 years, but because he really did die and was raised from the dead by Khorne. For the sole purpose of continuing to hit things with his axe.

 

When Khârn gets it, I'll feel better about being annoyed Meph and Dante don't.

 

Well Khârn is the Recycleable Warrior so Insta Death is ok. ;)

 

 

 

Mephy not having EW is reasonable from a balance point of view and doesn't go too much against his fluff: he is not eternal put still incredibly powerfull.

 

Dante on the other hand is the icon for a Space Marine Eternal Warrior. No Chaos God favor, not living in the Eye of Terror or stasis and fighting the worst galaxy has to offer for 1100+ years! Balance wise should be OK too, Dante isn't really that powerfull as far as HQ units go and EW wouldn't really make him overpowered.

[Crynn]

To the person who wrote these rules for Dante "I'm to old for this", "Get off my Lawn". Gold, you sir made me chuckle.

 

But I agree Dante should have eternal warrior really based on the current chars who have it. Bades on fluff I dont think he should, as while he is very old and has survived more battles than any other, he may have done this by out smarting his opponents rather then through pure brawn. To be honest im surprised he got an extra wound. The most rediculous part of his rules is loosing fearless even though I prefer him without that rule and loosing his inspiring rule. He has had that since 3rd ed and it was what made him a great commander and useful in the game, leading lightning assaults. Now he gives nothing to the army. As for making Sang guards troops, what a load of crap, he isnt even the leader of the sang guard, he should make vets troops. Matt Ward is a tool.

 

Meph = eternal warrior plain and smiple. First space marine to have toughness 5 followed by 6. why the hell he has 5 wounds is beyond me. 4 eternal warrior and maybe only toughness 5 would have been more realistic. But instead Matt 'moron' Ward strikes again makes him rediculous and then to counter how insane he was stopped him from being an IC . Why the hell would Meph not be an IC? In almost every story he fights with his honor guard which he can now take but cant join.

 

But they are just personal opinions I guess, but I think they have some merit.

[Terrahawk]

Still think there should be a "AhhhH! my hip!" rule for Dante. When he deep strikes roll the scatter dice, if a hit is shown he takes a wound as his ganky hip breaks again.

 

or perhaps a "Back in my day....." At the start of the battle Dante must FAIL a leadership test in order to realise battle is actualy happening, if he PASS's the test remove the model for d3 turns.

 

or maybe "Where did I put my keys...": Start of the battle roll a d6 for each vehical in your army, on the roll of a 1 the vehichal is considered immobilised for the first turn only.

 

;)

 

Thanks for the laughs! :)

Now I can't get the image of Dante as Grandpa Simpson out of my head.

 

Anyways, it seems that I have become a sucker for old people jokes... maybe it's a sign of getting old. :)

[Baragash]

I don't actually recall the BRB fluff, but Eternal Warrior is typically given to characters who have basically survived horrendous beatings/come back from the brink (Calgar, Lysander) or are supernaturally hard (Daemons, Abaddon), not because they've lived a long time.

 

IIRC Cassius is not EW either.

 

I agree that it would have been nice to have seen a rule for Dante that reflected his tactical nous.

[Whitefireinferno]

I would have liked to see Seth have Eternal warrior but then again he is in the few Marines that have 4 wounds so ohwell can't have it all and that would have hiked his price up a fare bit.

 

--WFI--

[Demoulius]

I don't actually recall the BRB fluff, but Eternal Warrior is typically given to characters who have basically survived horrendous beatings/come back from the brink (Calgar, Lysander) or are supernaturally hard (Daemons, Abaddon), not because they've lived a long time.

 

IIRC Cassius is not EW either.

 

I agree that it would have been nice to have seen a rule for Dante that reflected his tactical nous.

so...you think a marine who has been around for 1100 years dident get beat up or came back from horrioble injuries? :D

 

even scouts and/or tactical marines are bound to get a horrible injury sooner rather then later in their career, somehow i doubt Dante has been an exception to this B)

[Leonaides]

As to why Meph has 5 wounds - in a 7 turn game you're potentially making 49 psy tests... with a 1/18 chance of a perils in the warp attack, which auto wounds and he has no invulnerable save... To illustrate - I played a planetstrike game with him a couple of weeks ago and he killed hiimself in the 6th turn trying to cast WoS. 3rd PotW fail... D'oh!

 

Still won the game though! :sweat:

[Demoulius]

PoW is a balance thing, not a fluffy thing so i doubt its the reason that he has 5 wounds :sweat: probably because they though Mephi would need to be a beast incombat and the most expsensive space marine psyker in the 40k universe...

 

come to think about it maybe he read a few of the topics here on the b&c where basicly the consensus was that either Tigirius or Mephi were the strongest....dont think anyone is doubting now B)

 

oh hello Tigirius! *poke*, insert horrible fleshy explosion of gore here :)

[Baragash]

I don't actually recall the BRB fluff, but Eternal Warrior is typically given to characters who have basically survived horrendous beatings/come back from the brink (Calgar, Lysander) or are supernaturally hard (Daemons, Abaddon), not because they've lived a long time.

 

IIRC Cassius is not EW either.

 

I agree that it would have been nice to have seen a rule for Dante that reflected his tactical nous.

so...you think a marine who has been around for 1100 years dident get beat up or came back from horrioble injuries? :)

 

even scouts and/or tactical marines are bound to get a horrible injury sooner rather then later in their career, somehow i doubt Dante has been an exception to this :D

 

So all marines should get Eternal Warrior? No, because it's all relative.

 

Dante doesn't have a "pwned by the Swarmlord but still alive" moment, so in the context GW apply it, no he hasn't "come back from horrible injuries".

 

Tycho should have it though as he does have such a background.

[Demoulius]

I don't actually recall the BRB fluff, but Eternal Warrior is typically given to characters who have basically survived horrendous beatings/come back from the brink (Calgar, Lysander) or are supernaturally hard (Daemons, Abaddon), not because they've lived a long time.

 

IIRC Cassius is not EW either.

 

I agree that it would have been nice to have seen a rule for Dante that reflected his tactical nous.

so...you think a marine who has been around for 1100 years dident get beat up or came back from horrioble injuries? :huh:

 

even scouts and/or tactical marines are bound to get a horrible injury sooner rather then later in their career, somehow i doubt Dante has been an exception to this :D

 

So all marines should get Eternal Warrior? No, because it's all relative.

 

Dante doesn't have a "pwned by the Swarmlord but still alive" moment, so in the context GW apply it, no he hasn't "come back from horrible injuries".

 

Tycho should have it though as he does have such a background.

just because Dante's fluff in the new dex doesent say he hasent fought Carnifexes/wraithlords/dreadnoughts/nameyourbigevilcribblyhere it doesent mean that he hasent. Dante has led the chapter by leading furious charge into the chickest fights throughout his career. to say he dident fight the swarmlord or whatever and so hasent come back from the brink is a little short sighted imho....

 

but thats just my take on it. Tycho is awesome, without doubt. but does he deserve it better then Dante or mr. joe the awesome purple marine? i think not... its a silly rule when you take into account that not all characters of merit and equal prowess/hard to killness have it, just some :)

[Angel of the Emperor]

Tycho should have it though as he does have such a background.

 

Except hes still dead now isnt he?

[Baragash]

I meant to specify Captain Tycho ;)

 

@Demoulius: so we should just remove the ID rule because anyone surviving for any length of time in the 40k universe has clearly nearly been nearly blatted and fought and survived against horrendous beasts/odds?

 

GW gave us a context, Dante doesn't fit it, it's that simple.

[Brother_Dan'l]

The only place Dante and Mephiston will really miss EW is when facing Boneswords.

 

Every other time it might come into play is when you attacked the wrong darn target. Going after a 30 strong Mob with hidden Power Klaw backed up only by your Honor Guard? Stupid. You deserve to die. Other than that there really aren't that many things that are a threat to either of them.

 

So, no, I don't think Dante needs EW. :rolleyes:

[Priest33]

yeah 30 ork mob with only dante and honour guard is dumb... 30 ork mob with dante honour guard and furioso, walk in the park ;) I love thoes dreads!

[Th12t33n]

VIVA LA DANTE!

[Demoulius]

I meant to specify Captain Tycho :D

 

@Demoulius: so we should just remove the ID rule because anyone surviving for any length of time in the 40k universe has clearly nearly been nearly blatted and fought and survived against horrendous beasts/odds?

 

GW gave us a context, Dante doesn't fit it, it's that simple.

tbh fluffwise no space marine should have EW....its a gimmick that makes certain characters for the TT more attractive. also, noewhere did i mention anything about removing ID. i merely stated that GW has decided to only give a handfull of characters the rule, which i understand. but IMHO Dante of all people in the codex deserves it, specialy when you look at all the other people in the marine codex who have it.

 

Lysander, first company captain of the IF chapter.

Marneus Calgar, chapter master of the ultramarines.

 

now, tbh they dident live nearly as long as Dante did and to state that they killed more things then Dante OR suffered more wounds then him is speculative in the extreme, not to mention that its a fnatasy game, how would you prove such a thing?

 

EW is something that makes men survive blasts from a titan, when you keep that i mind you really realize how gimmicky it is :)

[rodf]

To the person who wrote these rules for Dante "I'm to old for this", "Get off my Lawn". Gold, you sir made me chuckle.

 

But I agree Dante should have eternal warrior really based on the current chars who have it. Bades on fluff I dont think he should, as while he is very old and has survived more battles than any other, he may have done this by out smarting his opponents rather then through pure brawn. To be honest im surprised he got an extra wound. The most rediculous part of his rules is loosing fearless even though I prefer him without that rule and loosing his inspiring rule. He has had that since 3rd ed and it was what made him a great commander and useful in the game, leading lightning assaults. Now he gives nothing to the army. As for making Sang guards troops, what a load of crap, he isnt even the leader of the sang guard, he should make vets troops. Matt Ward is a tool.

 

Meph = eternal warrior plain and smiple. First space marine to have toughness 5 followed by 6. why the hell he has 5 wounds is beyond me. 4 eternal warrior and maybe only toughness 5 would have been more realistic. But instead Matt 'moron' Ward strikes again makes him rediculous and then to counter how insane he was stopped him from being an IC . Why the hell would Meph not be an IC? In almost every story he fights with his honor guard which he can now take but cant join.

 

But they are just personal opinions I guess, but I think they have some merit.

Casius of the Ultramarines is toughness 6.

also Calgar is like 5/6 machine , so being eternal just means a lot of spare parts around.

Logan is an old fart but half as old as Dante, so if Logan gets it Dante should too if it was based on age.

[rodf]

PoW is a balance thing, not a fluffy thing so i doubt its the reason that he has 5 wounds ;) probably because they though Mephi would need to be a beast incombat and the most expsensive space marine psyker in the 40k universe...

 

come to think about it maybe he read a few of the topics here on the b&c where basicly the consensus was that either Tigirius or Mephi were the strongest....dont think anyone is doubting now B)

 

oh hello Tigirius! *poke*, insert horrible fleshy explosion of gore here :tu:

tigerius can have an invulnerable. the no invul on a hero librerian has always sucked.

or just make himself str 6, initiative 10, one wound to force weapon mephi out. but this would count on hoods not working, so likely to boggle.

one librarian is finesse , the other one is a sledge hammer.

[cptphoenixck]

I long for the days in third where you could just buy an iron halo for a libby...... bring back the 100 points of wargear i say....

[Hazard]

PoW is a balance thing, not a fluffy thing so i doubt its the reason that he has 5 wounds :cuss probably because they though Mephi would need to be a beast incombat and the most expsensive space marine psyker in the 40k universe...

 

come to think about it maybe he read a few of the topics here on the b&c where basicly the consensus was that either Tigirius or Mephi were the strongest....dont think anyone is doubting now :)

 

oh hello Tigirius! *poke*, insert horrible fleshy explosion of gore here :)

tigerius can have an invulnerable. the no invul on a hero librerian has always sucked.

or just make himself str 6, initiative 10, one wound to force weapon mephi out. but this would count on hoods not working, so likely to boggle.

one librarian is finesse , the other one is a sledge hammer.

 

This would count on being succesfull with all powers, quickening being the critical. No quickening - dead before striking, no Might - wound on 6+, no ID - self explanatory.

 

OTOH I don't think Mephiston is the most powerfull psyker. He is one of the most powerfull psykers out there, but I'd put Tiggy and Eldrad above him as they can cast the same number of powers per turn but know more powers. Njal Stormcaller is close, knowing more powers but loses out due to lesser power per turn number(tho one could argue his Stormcaller effect is a power). Basicaly it's like a power of a psyker being determined by both skill and raw power. Ironicaly Ahriman wouldn't stack up too well as despite his awesome knowledge his power isn't too great and his 3 powrs a turn only granted by his staff.