djoguit Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 Well I just bough a land raider crusader/redeemer and I was wondering what would be best for wolves. A crusader filled with 15 BC or WG w/ a mixed armor or the closed ranged redeemer w/ a capacity of 12 guys. Now I tough it was a sure thing with the crusader but Redeemer seems appealing too (hello template!) Djoguit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 It depends on your point limit and other units in your list as well as your local meta game etc. You want to give us more of a starting point or should we just start volunteering our favorite LRC/LRR unit combos? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 14 or 15 BC's, WG with Fist on 14, without for 15, plus WP... Or 10 GH's plus any HQ you want in termy armor, or 10 GH's, 2 Meltas or Flamer/Melta, WG with Fist and a WP/RP Templates or alot of S4 shots... It's really your choice. Do you want an AP3 template, or up to 12 twin linked bolter shots, rapid firing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 if you're wondering which one to build, i say both! use magnets on the sponson weapons to let you try them both out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted May 5, 2010 Share Posted May 5, 2010 I agree with wolf...build a mag convo of both...and a Crusader will hold 16 models now under the new dex...so that's a nice fat BC unit with WG and Ragnar leading or 8 WG termis...makes for a beautiful site when they hit the line... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djoguit Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 I tend to play 1500 games for now because I want to leant how the wolves work first. My gaming group usualy plays 2000 points on regular basis. I have 15 WG in TDA. 5 fitted for CC, 5 balanced for CC/shooting and 5 fitted for shooting but never field them all as it can get expensive Most of all, I want to see my HQ's hit the line assaulting. As Tigurius said, you could always give me ideas on your favorite combos be it for a crusader or redeemer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I love them both so much it's hard to decide. In fact I love them so much, I use both in my 2k and 2.5k lists. I love them. They both add something different to my army. In lower point games, I'll field the LRR as you'll most likely not have the points to really fill the crusader up to max capacity (assuming TDA inside). I personally prefer GH's over BC's, so barring lots of TDA WG, both variants have sufficient transport capacity for me. I also like the LRR in lower point games because it's easy to be swamped by horde armies and the flamer sponson helps a lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I have thought about putting Logan in the LRC with 7 WG termies...2 PF/SB, 1Asscan/FB, 2 TH/SS and 2 WC then bumrush the front line or the primary objective at cruising speed and let my opponent come to me...in the mean time I'm shooting lotsa dice at him every turn whitling down his forces as they approach with two other squads of 7 termis(using the same load out) sloggin it across the battlefield on either flank drawin his fire and eatin up units...while my LF's take out armor and lend Logan some sweet fire support...so the crusader is nice for it...but the redeemer has it potentials too...just not the troop cap as the crusader... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzouken Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Use magnets. Field either variant you like. That said, I've had plenty of success with my Redeemer, shredding Black Templars like a scythe through wheat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
old git Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 With that many Wolf Guard the only real question is where is the Great Wolf? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Cheap LR combo 10xGH + 2xMelta + Wolf Standard + MOTW + PF WG + TDA + Combi-melta (or plasma if you feel risky...relentless means rapid fire and assault) + Chain fist They come down the ramp firing 3(or 4 if you took combi-plasma) shots capable of dropping TDA or cracking open armor. When that is done they engage in combat and the PF + Chain fist provide pop. The chain fist also provides dreadnaught stopping power Best of all...this combination is cheap compared to other hammer units (only 258pts) , counts as scoring and fits in a LRR If you add an HQ I suggest a WP with runic armor. He has a 2+ save to benefit from the wolf standard and the PF and Chain fist basically become a reroll to hit/wound combo (WP preferred enemy and Wolf standard for rolls of 1...PF/CF wound most targets on 2+) If you want to start getting expensive you can go with named character combos using Ragnar/Logan and WG Ragnar combos should have high numbers because his special rule is a force multiplier. Every unit charging gains D3 extra attacks instead of basic +1 on the charge. If you have a unit of 10 PA WG instead of 5 TDA WG you can have 10 or 15 extra attacks using special wargear. Ragnar's furious charge rule also means you can risk not using as many SS and rely on I5 if you are facing MEQ. Some sample Ragnar combos -Put him with the WP and GHs listed above for a scoring unit or -10 WG (572pts for WG alone and fits nicely in a LRC but not scoring) TDA + CML + Chain fist TDA + CML + TH 2 TDA + PW/SS 4 PA WG + Combi-melta + Wolf claw 2 PA WG + Combi-melta + SS WP optional RP optional (RP casting stormcaller provides cover save to exposed PA WG if they get caught in the open) You can swap Ragnar and WP out for Logan and the unit becomes scoring (Logan can provide his own preferred enemy) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2389966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Karulfr Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I'm going to be picking up the Crusader/Redeemer kit and I plan to magnetize it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2390041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IL Bane Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 I'm working on a LRR/LRC kit I bought a week ago, have the forgeworld doors etc. I will mainly be fielding it as a LRR (due to the fact that we really only play up to 1500pt matches at present) but am reserving the right to field a LRC by magnetising the weapons.....hopefully! I haven't magnetised anything before so if it goes wrong then it's stuck as a LRR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2390046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djoguit Posted May 6, 2010 Author Share Posted May 6, 2010 Thanks for the advices. I'll be sure to use Logan since I have that many WG in TDA. I have an idea of combining 5 WG in TDA, Logan and 4 PA WG w/SB. It'll be a 10 men unit hammering the foe. Nice shooting asscan and HF and a mix of PW and PF even CF just in case. Using the prefered enemy rule w/ Logan it'll be great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2390526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Thanks for the advices. I'll be sure to use Logan since I have that many WG in TDA. I have an idea of combining 5 WG in TDA, Logan and 4 PA WG w/SB. It'll be a 10 men unit hammering the foe. Nice shooting asscan and HF and a mix of PW and PF even CF just in case. Using the prefered enemy rule w/ Logan it'll be great. Spend the extra to get combi-meltas instead of SB (mere 8pt difference). It may make the difference in a game. Storm bolters are nice but they don't turn the tide against anything. You can pop vehicles...walkers...heavy armor...MCs and HQs with combi-meltas If you have TDA consider a WC instead of PW. The points are minimal but rerolling to wound is priceless when used with Logan's preferred enemy. You are already sacrificing the A + 1 because you have no pistol. Good luck! Let us know how your LR hammer unit performs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2390540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 14 or 15 BC's, WG with Fist on 14, without for 15, plus WP... Or 10 GH's plus any HQ you want in termy armor, or 10 GH's, 2 Meltas or Flamer/Melta, WG with Fist and a WP/RP Templates or alot of S4 shots... It's really your choice. Do you want an AP3 template, or up to 12 twin linked bolter shots, rapid firing? I believe I'd rather have the AP3 template, because when that starts shooting, there will be howling, screaming, growling men coming out of the front of it. only thing that sucks about it is that I have to convert the sponson weapons from the standard Lascannons.. so I hope I never need those again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/200605-crusader-or-redeemer-for-wolves/#findComment-2390791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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