Usopreme Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Hi everyone this is my first time posting in the inquisition section but my blood angels have fallen in love with allied grey knight terminators so I'm looking for advice on the icon of the just. At first it seems like a great piece of gear, increasing the survivability of the grandmaster sounds like a great idea, but the points cost seems a bit extreme to increase the invulnerable save by 1. For the same cost I can put a psycannon on the retinue or a powerfist on one of my assault squads. So I'm just curios what the grey knight vets think of about the icon of the just. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 no, no, no. Icon = not worth it. Table wide LD10 psychic hood for 5 points less on the other hand well... And for a GM don't put a psycannon in the retinue. BC take psycannons but for the GM just put 1 incinerator in the retinue. 5 men (including GM) + Sanguinary priest + Stormraven/Land Raider = opponent :D You know it makes sense Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 For the same cost I can put a psycannon on the retinue or a powerfist on one of my assault squads. So I'm just curios what the grey knight vets think of about the icon of the just. Don't put the PC in the ret, GM has +1 BS Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Don't put the PC in the squad at all. He's a GM so stick him in combat and leave him with the humble stormbolter. The incinerator though is a good buy to roast some hordes... Now the Bc on the other hand can take a shooting roll. PC for the squad and for him makes a nice little fire base. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulReaver296 Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Well, the thing is with me, i can make a 4+ roll like nothing, but if i try with just his 5+? not to save my life Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usopreme Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share Posted May 10, 2010 Thanks for the replies very good information. I guess I should have prefaced what I was already bringing. My GM has a psychic hood, psycannon, and sacred incense with a 4 terminator retinue. I'm also bringing a brother captain in my elite a lot with incenerator and 4 terminator retinue also with incinerator. Both squads will have their own storm raven with chaplain and sanguinary priest. So I was thinking about putting a psycannon in the GM retinue so the squad would have 2. But should I flop the loadout? 2 incenerators for the GM and psycannons for brother captain? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 I personnaly dont buy spec weapons for the Serg/HQ. Seen BC with psycannon really well though with another psycannon in squad. But in Stormravens how many times will those 55 points of psycannony goodness get to shoot? The GM will get to shoot his 30 point toy once :cuss and on another note skip the sacred incense for an all comer list instead have hammerhand (deal with those AV13 walkers tryin to tie up your uber squad) In stormravens? Sounds like they are hammer units. incinerator in the retinue for both and the Serg/HQ bare is what I suggest. Also, what are you giving your Stormravens? TLLC + thyphoon launchers could make for a nasty first turn for your opponent (PoTMS spirit means 4 transports could be down!) The points you save on spec weapons could get you that Power fist somewhere else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishoujo Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 If both squads are running in storm ravens with sanguinary priests and chaplain buddies, I'd run zero psycannons. Personally, I'd either run no special weapons, or an incinerator or two. Those 2 squads are going to be dirty in melee, and the points you're spending on the special weapons could be used instead to give your sanguinary priests power fists (which would help round out the melee capability of those squads as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 IMHO, the GKT terminator retinue for a GM is the best protection you can get. I don't think the points cost for a modest improvement to his invul save is worth it. What he really needs is some kind of insta-kill protection. Sadly, nothing like that is available. Just allocate insta-kill wounds to the retinue. That's why they're there. That, and to help kick ass! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usopreme Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 I just want everyone to know how helpful they have been. Thanks so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chengar Qordath Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Honestly the price on an Icon of the Just is just another example of why the way the new codices handle wargear makes a lot more sense (The DH armoury in general demonstrates this problem). 25 points for an Icon might be justifiable for an Inquisitor Lord with no built-in Invulnerable save, but it is nuts for a GKGM with a 5++. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2395446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Honestly the price on an Icon of the Just is just another example of why the way the new codices handle wargear makes a lot more sense (The DH armoury in general demonstrates this problem). 25 points for an Icon might be justifiable for an Inquisitor Lord with no built-in Invulnerable save, but it is nuts for a GKGM with a 5++. Now if we only had that 3++ 10pt stormshield... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201043-icon-of-the-just-worth-it/#findComment-2396260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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