RIGHT-Titan Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Soo.. I'm looking over my list.. and I'm planning on taking it to tourny soon (an 1850 singles and 1000 each doubles) and looking over my options. I'm not a fan of Dev squads.. and I'm torn between using the 3 Vindicators I own, or buying Predators lol. I love my templates.. but 24" range is sometimes a little harsh on me, and I'd love to be able to use that 48" lascannon range. What are other people's thoughts on the big tanks out there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I would say that the best overall choice for SM army is the Combi-Predator. Autocannon/Lascannons for 120 points each. Provides 4 shots @ 48" that will knock out most light/medium armor/transports/walkers and put wounds on MCs. The only thing it can't do well is horde (which SM can handle pretty well with Bolters and Flamers) and AV14 (MM Land Speeders work well for that). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2395490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIGHT-Titan Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 Similar to my thoughts, except I don't field a Land Raider or Speeders. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2395504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I second what minigun762 said. Combipredators are the way to go. Dakkapreds (preds with autocannon turret and heavy bolter sponsors) are also nice if you feel you need antihorde. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2395654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Similar to my thoughts, except I don't field a Land Raider or Speeders. ;) Well as long as you have some kind of mobile Meltagun equivalent, you'll be ok at taking out AV14. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2395940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.C.118 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I'd also look at attack bike squads, or sternguard/dreadnought in drop pods (with combi-meltas/meltaguns). Even though they aren't tanks, they do what I need in anti-tank- fast units with anti-melta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Combi-Predator with Chronus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.C.118 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Actually, I feel that chronus would actually be better for a LR Crusader, as those are mainly used as transport tanks and his rule of ignoring stuns and shaken is much better applied in this situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Combi-Predator with Chronus You used this? Would you say it's worth the 190 pts? To me, it just feels like a better idea to dish out another 50 points and buy two combipreds, rather then spend points on chronus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Why not mix. 2 Vindicators with a combi-pred. The 2 vindi's can forge ahead of with the rest of your army(if thats how you play) while the Pred takes up a stable firing position and takes out targets at range. Best of both worlds. As for best position of Chronus. Honestly i wouldnt take him. If you have 70 points spare to use him thats a Multi-Melta Attack Bike plus 20 points spare. Or depending on your point availability for an extra 35 you get a dread plus MM. Having one of those walk up with your Vindi's...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.C.118 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 I prefer to use a LR instead of the Vindis, and the Pred to be a dakkapred, to kill the hordes I face. Just leave 1-2 ML combat squads with it and it's a reliable AT platform up to AV 13 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 i hear an echo anyhoo i agre that combi-pred is the way to go, not a big fan of tanks myself, but numbers of shots often counts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Combi-Predator with Chronus You used this? Would you say it's worth the 190 pts? To me, it just feels like a better idea to dish out another 50 points and buy two combipreds, rather then spend points on chronus. BS5 and immunity to Shaken and Stunned is great. I use it a lot. Opponents frequently don't even both targeting it unless they have Melta in range, as glances are no longer a worry really. Guard its flank with a Rhino (or Razorback) and otherwise just turn it on the spot. Even most Melta doesn't go for my Predator when it has Vindicators to deal with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.C.118 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 glances are no longer a worry really. Then you haven't heard of stunlocking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 glances are no longer a worry really. Then you haven't heard of stunlocking. I've heard of it. Chronus is immune though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 A Predator is always good value for points. I favour an all round variant, twin Lascannon turret and heavy bolter sponsons. Little less dedicated at taking on enemy armour but still packs an accurate punch against tanks at range, plus is a dab hand at hurting infantry with 6 heavy bolter shots. If you have 2 Vindicators then a Combi-Predator would go well though. The Vindicators have sufficient anti-infantry capacity and you can do with the extra 2 Lascannons at range. Would you consider Landspeeders in addition to your heavy armour? They are lower in AV, but they will suck enemy anti-armour as much as anything else. Also, they are cheap and great force multipliers. Consider an army with 2 Vindicators, a Combi-Predator (or Lascannon/Heavy Bolters variant) and also 2 Typhoons deployed across the table that you will soon have to run the gauntlet of their guns! I personally don't like Chronus, if he was 20pts cheaper then maybe he would be a good choice, but like people have said already 70pts gets you a whole lot extra in a list. If it works for you thade then it is all good, my luck just screams to me that it would die first shot of the game! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.C.118 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 glances are no longer a worry really. Then you haven't heard of stunlocking. I've heard of it. Chronus is immune though. Sorry, didn't see the whole post. Just thought it meant regularly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIGHT-Titan Posted May 12, 2010 Author Share Posted May 12, 2010 i hear an echo anyhoo i agre that combi-pred is the way to go, not a big fan of tanks myself, but numbers of shots often counts You're more of a Scouts guy right GC? So I'm guessing you field Speeders? I'm thinking of maybe rolling 2 Vindis and Pred of some variation. I'm not a huge speeder fan personally.. they seem to die on me too fast lol..But I'm always willing to try other stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2396829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 i hear an echo anyhoo i agre that combi-pred is the way to go, not a big fan of tanks myself, but numbers of shots often counts You're more of a Scouts guy right GC? So I'm guessing you field Speeders? I'm thinking of maybe rolling 2 Vindis and Pred of some variation. I'm not a huge speeder fan personally.. they seem to die on me too fast lol..But I'm always willing to try other stuff. Try a pair of Typhoons, trust me if you use them correctly you will not be disappointed! :huh: Just try to keep at least 24" distance and the Typhoon will be safe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2397018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekLee688 Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Remember you can move 6" and fire the vindi's cannon, 12" if your BA. Right now I only own one and it is happy between a dread and LR, plus all my rhinos and speeders behind it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2397532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticaria Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 Remember you can move 6" and fire the vindi's cannon, 12" if your BA. Seriosuly GW, why? Anyway, landspeeders work well in conjunction with vindicators as the vindicators tend to draw a lot of that long range anti-tank stuff that would normally be going after the speeders. If you keep the distance open you shouldn't even be taking any small arms fire. My speeders got a lot more resilient once I added pair of vindicators to the army. People just aren't prepared to ignore charging vindicators to go shoot at some typhoons lurking along the back of the board. -Myst Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2397658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted May 12, 2010 Share Posted May 12, 2010 The overall metagame with experienced playes seems to be to rapidly close the distance, so long-distance firepower is not as critical as it once was. 2 vindies plus a third unit as your heavy armor is a good choice. The combipred is definitely the favorite. Too bad you cannot get a tri-melta pred... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2397782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I disagree. The fact everyone want's to close the distance so fast means long range firepower becomes more important. After all, if you interfere with their plan to close the distance then you have the upper hand. I have witnessed and been on the receiving end of a player with long range superiority and it becomes a chore trying to weather that firepower each turn until you can retaliate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2398322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Navaer Solaq Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 My vote is with Captain Idaho. If you have 2 Vindicators then a Combi-Predator would go well though. The Vindicators have sufficient anti-infantry capacity and you can do with the extra 2 Lascannons at range. Would you consider Landspeeders in addition to your heavy armour? They are lower in AV, but they will suck enemy anti-armour as much as anything else. Also, they are cheap and great force multipliers. Consider an army with 2 Vindicators, a Combi-Predator (or Lascannon/Heavy Bolters variant) and also 2 Typhoons deployed across the table that you will soon have to run the gauntlet of their guns! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2399390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 FA is where C:SM anti-tank is at. Specifically, MM attack bikes. 2 vindies plus a third unit as your heavy armor is a good choice. The combipred is definitely the favorite. Too bad you cannot get a tri-melta pred... Yeah. Like in the fake BA 'dex. Would have been nice... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201080-heavy-armor/#findComment-2399485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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