Heavy Armor..

[mowglie]

I'd take a slightly broader definition of "long-range", but yeah. I'm not a staunch supporter of the firebase theory, but I do agree you need to be able to reach out and open up transports. I just don't mind if I do half my reaching in my movement phase.

 

Mostly, I'm not a fan of lascannons. They're very expensive anywhere you get them, and the math isn't on your side if you're trying to take out AV13+ at range. Generally autocannons are better at taking out AV10-12 due to weight of fire.

 

So, I think I prefer the TLAC/TLAC dred to the combi-pred. Haven't mathed that though. 5 points difference, 4 TLAC shots vs 2 AC + 2 LC shots, combi-pred can't move and fire. Hm...

 

Thing is, I like versatile stuff. There's nothing I hate more than e.g. having a godhammer full of hammernators vs horde ork.

 

The rifleman dred has quite a narrow range of stuff it can shoot efficiently at. The combi-pred has a slightly wider range, but still often finds nothing that it's particularly good at shooting. (partly because it can't move-and-fire)

 

I love to see a pair/trio of typhoons in a list. They can shoot anything short of AV14, and they can fire HB+2xFrag at hordes on the move.

 

Similarly, I've got a huge soft spot for 3x vindicator. Alas, it's not AP1 (damn you imperial guard with your medusa!) but it can shoot anything. Hordes => boom. MEQ => boom. Light tanks => boom. heavy tanks => boom. When your hammer is 3x vindicator, everything looks like a nail. :)

[Brother-Captain Isaac]

+1 on that lol

 

Remember, if you field one Vindi, it's going to go boom first turn. So use 2+ combi-pred. Sneak in some fast moving melta and you're golden.

[Captain Idaho]

So, I think I prefer the TLAC/TLAC dred to the combi-pred. Haven't mathed that though. 5 points difference, 4 TLAC shots vs 2 AC + 2 LC shots, combi-pred can't move and fire. Hm...

 

Rather than math it, why don't you try it out. If not in-game, try just rolling the dice in scenarios about 10-15 times to check it out. Math-hammering it won't give you a realistic result. You don't get decimals that way.

[mowglie]

Rather than math it, why don't you try it out. If not in-game, try just rolling the dice in scenarios about 10-15 times to check it out. Math-hammering it won't give you a realistic result. You don't get decimals that way.

 

Because to get a reasonable sample size, you'd need to do it like 500 times!

 

Tell you what. Since I'm a massive nerd, I'll simulate it. That's the same as rolling the dice a million times :lol:

 

I agree though. The math doesn't tell you everything e.g. you can't put a number on the fact that the rifle dred can move-and-fire, nor on the fact that the combi-pred has a wider selection of targets. Plus you're only considering the specific scenario you math.

 

TLAC/TLAC has a 53% chance to immob or better. Combi-pred has a 56% to immob or better. Based on 1,000,000 iterations. Assuming I got the simulation right, which I didn't necessarily :lol:

[Brother-Captain Isaac]

Statistically, the Pred does better. But when you factor in the Dreadnoughts ability to survive against Tac Marines in combat......

[FlamingDeth]

Thing is, I like versatile stuff. There's nothing I hate more than e.g. having a godhammer full of hammernators vs horde ork.

 

I love to see a pair/trio of typhoons in a list. They can shoot anything short of AV14, and they can fire HB+2xFrag at hordes on the move.

 

Similarly, I've got a huge soft spot for 3x vindicator. Alas, it's not AP1 (damn you imperial guard with your medusa!) but it can shoot anything. Hordes => boom. MEQ => boom. Light tanks => boom. heavy tanks => boom. When your hammer is 3x vindicator, everything looks like a nail. ;)

This, basically. I love speeders and I love vindicators, and have never regretted taking them in a list.

[Brother-Captain Isaac]

Speeder+Vindi lists are simple and fun to use :)