Space Wolves and allies

[n00b in need]

Hail my brothers! i just recently joined the ranks of the inhabitants of the Fang. i love ale and reckless heroism mixed with a disdain for authority, so i thought the Space Wolves would be a good choice for me, and... WOW WAS I RIGHT!!! i love my wolves more then i think any player should love there models, there just sooooo damn cool looking!!! But like any one new to anything i have a few questions... and i know my fellow wolf-brothers will be able to answer them for me =D so here we go:

 

1. Am i allowed to field the Legion of the Damned and Grey Knights with my Space Wolves?

2. As an avid reader of the Space Wolf series following the exploits of Ragnar Blackmane, am i allowed to field my own rendition of Ragnar or do i have to have the model to be able to use him in a tournament setting?

3. Also anyone have any details about using the Wolf Blade in a game? should i just use Wolf Guard models and have them modeled as the Wolf Blade from the novels?

4. When i was reading the Games Workshop article about getting started with Space Wolves, it said that any players wishing to field a Lost 13th Company should use the Codex: Blood Angels, is this accurate, when asking around my local gaming club fellow space wolf players were actually offended by this, i want to use the 13th Company so i would really like to know what i should do

5. And Finally, i have an Interrogator-Chaplin from a long time ago when i was thinking about playing the dark angels who is equipped with a power sword and his corzius arcanum, would i be allowed to use him as a Wolf Priest, i don't think i can cause the codex doesn't say that you can't equip a wolf priest with a power weapon, but i want to use him in a drop pod where he can lead a wolf guard squad in a ferocious charge, let me know please

 

Thanks for your time in advance cause i know this is the most helpful forum i've seen =D

[Simo429]

GK yes

 

legion of the damned I dont know

[Sarapham]

1. Grey Knights yes, since they still have the allies rule. No on LotD how ever since they are a part of the normal Space Marine codex now.

 

3. There are no specific rules or models for Wolf Blade so yes you could make your own.

 

4. Check the 13th company sticky thread at the top of the Space Wolf forum for ideas.

 

5. He would not look very wolfy but if you give him a slight "wolf-over" you could probably field him. Just give him a bolt pistol or combi-bolter in a holster and I´m sure no one would mind him having a power sword as well.

[Skirax]

His Power Weapon is his Crozius. Just pass it up as a more subtle Crozius.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

His Power Weapon is his Crozius. Just pass it up as a more subtle Crozius.

Yes you can use Daemon Hunters as allies,My wolves have a Inquisitor Lord come along all the time. If Logan Grimnir viewed them as worthy allies, then we should do the same. It also gives us an option for Deep Striking units without Drop pods if we take the grey knights as fast attack. Yes with a bit of 'wolf-bling' you can get your chaplain in line as a wolf priest.

 

And finally,Welcome to the Fang brother. Grab an ale and look for the stories written by Warhorse. He is without a doubt the most talented writer in the Fang.

Here are some of the links to his stories.

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=185566

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=196758

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

His Power Weapon is his Crozius. Just pass it up as a more subtle Crozius.

Yes you can use Daemon Hunters as allies,My wolves have a Inquisitor Lord come along all the time. If Logan Grimnir viewed them as worthy allies, then we should do the same. It also gives us an option for Deep Striking units without Drop pods if we take the grey knights as fast attack. Yes with a bit of 'wolf-bling' you can get your chaplain in line as a wolf priest.

 

And finally,Welcome to the Fang brother. Grab an ale and look for the stories written by Warhorse. He is without a doubt the most talented writer in the Fang.

Here are some of the links to his stories.

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=185566

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=196758

 

i think if we ask Logan what he thinks after Armageddon we might get a different answer about his "worthy allies"

 

WLK

[commander alexander]

His Power Weapon is his Crozius. Just pass it up as a more subtle Crozius.

Yes you can use Daemon Hunters as allies,My wolves have a Inquisitor Lord come along all the time. If Logan Grimnir viewed them as worthy allies, then we should do the same. It also gives us an option for Deep Striking units without Drop pods if we take the grey knights as fast attack. Yes with a bit of 'wolf-bling' you can get your chaplain in line as a wolf priest.

 

And finally,Welcome to the Fang brother. Grab an ale and look for the stories written by Warhorse. He is without a doubt the most talented writer in the Fang.

Here are some of the links to his stories.

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=185566

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=196758

 

You cant use Grey Knights if Space marines are in the force, so your fast attack choice is illegal.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

His Power Weapon is his Crozius. Just pass it up as a more subtle Crozius.

Yes you can use Daemon Hunters as allies,My wolves have a Inquisitor Lord come along all the time. If Logan Grimnir viewed them as worthy allies, then we should do the same. It also gives us an option for Deep Striking units without Drop pods if we take the grey knights as fast attack. Yes with a bit of 'wolf-bling' you can get your chaplain in line as a wolf priest.

 

And finally,Welcome to the Fang brother. Grab an ale and look for the stories written by Warhorse. He is without a doubt the most talented writer in the Fang.

Here are some of the links to his stories.

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=185566

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=196758

 

i think if we ask Logan what he thinks after Armageddon we might get a different answer about his "worthy allies"

 

WLK

If I am not misremembering the Lore,Armageddon is where the Grey Knights Teleported down and helped save the Old Wolf's arse. It was the Inquisition that made the decision about putting all the survivors in work camps. So I suppose I should have been more specific in my statement lol. The Ordo Malleus (Daemon Hunters who include the Grey Knights) are perfectly ok with Grimnir. They fought and died to save Armageddon and destroy the Daemon hordes. The Ordo Hereticus (Witch hunters/Inquisition) and the Adeptus Lords are the ones that sterilized the survivors and put them in work camps.

 

Also,as far as I have read in the daemon hunter books,it shows that Space Wolves can use them as allies. I saw nothing in the DH codex that says that they cant be deployed alongside Space Marines,Just that a DH army cant have space marine Allies if it has Grey Knights.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

the Ordos Malleus Inquisitors were the butcherers of Armageddon, and they tell the GK where to hop and what to kill.

 

so yea, i wonder if what Grimnar, a Space Marine Commander famous for fighting for Man, thinks of his allies.

 

WLK

[Prince Hector]

I don't think Grimnar would have objections to fighting alongside Grey Knights since he shook their hand after the 1st War for Armageddon but anything besides them, i.e. Inquisitors, storm troopers, or Sororitas would be extremely unfluffy and would be cause for excommunication from the Chapter.

[Pils]

Hi, would just like to say that in the Ragnar novels an old Ordos Malleus inquister was allowed to Fenris and into the Fang, being a friend and ally of Logan Grimnar himself. He was even put in command of Ragnars group of bloodclaws for awhile, so i see nothing wrong with takeing Inquisitors as allies. Grey Knights did fight on Armagedon with us, so that's another no brainer.

 

Yes some Inquisitors did round up all the survivors of Armagedon and move them off planet to very bad fates but it wasn't every single Inquisitor.

 

Oh and as for not being allowed space marines and grey knights in one army: In a Daemon Hunter army if you take allied space marines then you're not allowed to take Grey Knights, if you do a space marine army then you can take Grey Knights as allies, along with Inquisitors and some of the other bits from the book, like Assassins.

[Vash113]

Hi, would just like to say that in the Ragnar novels an old Ordos Malleus inquister was allowed to Fenris and into the Fang, being a friend and ally of Logan Grimnar himself. He was even put in command of Ragnars group of bloodclaws for awhile, so i see nothing wrong with takeing Inquisitors as allies. Grey Knights did fight on Armagedon with us, so that's another no brainer.

 

That was an exception however, not the norm. In general the Space Wolves will fire on any Inquisition vessel that dares enter the Fenris system and aren't going to look too kindly on Inquisitors in general.

[commander alexander]

Oh my God Requiem, I didn't see that! Oh what tricky wording, I have an evil plan now :) .

[Requiem of the Wolf]

The Adeptus Lords and the Inquisition (Ordo Hereticus) that did that to the people of Armageddon. The only presence the Ordo Malleus had was the thousand or so Grey Knights. The Ordo Malleus ONLY deal with Daemons not chaos cultists or things like that. That falls within the purview of the Witch hunters. So while the Grey Knights and those that serve with them would be cool as far as Grimnir is concerned...the Witch Hunters would get slapped down at a moments notice. So yes,even fluff wise, Grey Knights and their Ordo Malleus Inquisitor Commanders would be greeted with civility and fought alongside without incident. A Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor would likely find himself waking up naked and lathered in barbecue sauce on a ice floe in Fenris.

 

The Point I'm making is Ordo Hereticus and Ordo Malleus are NOT THE SAME PEOPLE. Two different orders,both with different focuses. This is supported in the books and in the codexs. The Ordo Malleus is commonly referred to as the 'Daemon Hunters' while the Ordo Hereticus is referred to as the 'Inquisition' or 'Witch Hunters' Also,it was the decision of the ADMINISTRATUM with the Inquisition's blessing that had the survivors sterilized and rounded up.

[commander alexander]

It says 100 grey knights in the fluff for Armageddon. I agree that Grey Knights would be respected, not necessarily the Inquisitors of the ordo, but definitely the GK.

[LoneSniperSG]

You cant use Grey Knights if Space marines are in the force, so your fast attack choice is illegal.

 

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Any parent Space Marine/Blood Angels/Space Wolves/Dark Angels/Black Templar army can take Grey Knights space marines as allies.

 

If you're playing a parent Daemonhunter army and want to take Space Marine/Blood Angels/Space Wolves/Dark Angels/Black Templar, then you CANNOT have Grey Knights in your force.

 

We can take Grey Knights, Grey Knights can't take us. Make sense?

 

Same goes for Sisters. If you have a Witch Hunters parent army, and you want Space marine allies, you can't use Sisters. If you're playing a Space Marines parent army and want allies, you can take Sisters.

[commander alexander]

Requiem already showed me that, thank you sniper.

[LoneSniperSG]

Requiem already showed me that, thank you sniper.

 

Oops, sorry. I didn't see that.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

It says 100 grey knights in the fluff for Armageddon. I agree that Grey Knights would be respected, not necessarily the Inquisitors of the ordo, but definitely the GK.

It says 100 Grey Knights survived after the battle,I think it mentions somewhere in the neighborhood of a thousand teleporting down.After the demons were dispersed,the Grey Knights left to go kick Daemon ass somewhere else. That is pretty much the entire focus of the OM.

[Prince Hector]

It says 100 grey knights in the fluff for Armageddon. I agree that Grey Knights would be respected, not necessarily the Inquisitors of the ordo, but definitely the GK.

It says 100 Grey Knights survived after the battle,I think it mentions somewhere in the neighborhood of a thousand teleporting down.After the demons were dispersed,the Grey Knights left to go kick Daemon ass somewhere else. That is pretty much the entire focus of the OM.

 

You misread. 100 teleported down and a handful survived, after shaking hands with Grimnir they left the planet.

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Ah ok. So 100 teleported down and probably less then 10 survived. That does make more sense actually,given how the GK are supposed to be very very rare even in comparison to the Adeptus Astartes.

[LoneSniperSG]

I believe it was a hundred that appeared and only one survived..

 

 

time for the book!

 

Says one hundred Gk's teleported to the surface, and only a handful survived.

[Niiai]

About using blood angels as the 13th company I think it would fit very well as long as you restricted your unit choises.

 

Wolfen would be legion of the damned.

 

Do not use any tanks (a bit bad for a BA list.)

 

Have loads of drop pods but instead of the droppod build a warpgate that your units can come out of (a open gateway would be aporpriate.)

 

Have the sanguary priest eather be a) a rune priest who spesialice in defence and suport. (Blood lust and helaing.) Or make a "special" character like a rage invoker or something. Party of gurilla tactics learned while in the warp.

 

Use loads of psykers. I don't remember, but could the 13 company use dreadnoughts? I would think dreadnoughts coming out of warpgates would look ace. And it would be realy cool. Imadgine a wolfen dreadnought. :o

 

Also a good use of jump packs would make sence if they are being chased / chasing chaos from plannet to plannet.

 

Blood angel devetsators are good, not as good as the SW but it would still be very viable.

 

If you have assoult terminators it would be a good chance to actualy use ouer terminator wolf claws.

 

What do you conservative purists think?

[n00b in need]

WOW thanks for SO many replies in such a short time guys!, you've answered all my questions and more!!! but a note to Niiai since i don't have the Blood Angels codex i don't know for sure but i'd assume that BA's can't use Legion of the Damned either since its a C:SM thing from what i read earlier, also i think that GW was saying that Wulfen would be the Death Company? not quite sure but that would make since since there both mutations of the Gene-seed. Also:

 

His Power Weapon is his Crozius. Just pass it up as a more subtle Crozius.

 

My Chaplin has his Crozius AND a power sword, why i have no idea but i guess thats how they make Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain Asmodai here's a link to his Games-Workshop site page Games Workshop

 

i was thinking of giving him a Jump Pack and have him leading my Skyclaws since he has two close combat weapons.

 

and i've decided that instead of useing the actual 13th company and makeing my own company that was lost in the warp centuries ago but has just recently left the warp with out knowing they've been gone for centuries, i rather like that idea since time really has no meaning in the warp, so they'd think they've only been gone for a month when its really been like 400 years. i really like righting short stories set in the 40k universe and this would be a good set up for me to write a back story for my chapter =D but to write that story i'd need to know who the Great Wolf before Grimmnar was, anyone know?

[Requiem of the Wolf]

WOW thanks for SO many replies in such a short time guys!, you've answered all my questions and more!!! but a note to Niiai since i don't have the Blood Angels codex i don't know for sure but i'd assume that BA's can't use Legion of the Damned either since its a C:SM thing from what i read earlier, also i think that GW was saying that Wulfen would be the Death Company? not quite sure but that would make since since there both mutations of the Gene-seed. Also:

 

His Power Weapon is his Crozius. Just pass it up as a more subtle Crozius.

 

My Chaplin has his Crozius AND a power sword, why i have no idea but i guess thats how they make Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain Asmodai here's a link to his Games-Workshop site page Games Workshop

 

i was thinking of giving him a Jump Pack and have him leading my Skyclaws since he has two close combat weapons.

 

and i've decided that instead of useing the actual 13th company and makeing my own company that was lost in the warp centuries ago but has just recently left the warp with out knowing they've been gone for centuries, i rather like that idea since time really has no meaning in the warp, so they'd think they've only been gone for a month when its really been like 400 years. i really like righting short stories set in the 40k universe and this would be a good set up for me to write a back story for my chapter =D but to write that story i'd need to know who the Great Wolf before Grimmnar was, anyone know?

Well...as far as I know Grimnir has been the great wolf for over 500 years or so. So unless they have been gone a VERY long time,he would still have been in charge.