Lorgar.....him again.

[Blackpudding427]

I understand the fact that the Word Bearers were possibly the most influential Legion in the Heresy, and that Lorgar was one of the masterminds, but why so much about them in the HH books? I always thought of the HH books to be more of an in depth description of each of the Legions and their independent dramas. For example, "A Thousand Sons" it is a detailed account of the council of Nikea from someone who was there. The next book in that line is about the Space Wolves breaking into open combat with Magnus's forces, all very vaugely touched upon in the fluff, but never really embellished upon untill now. All I'm asking for is some Iron Warriors, Salamanders, and(more for personal favor than anything else) some World Eaters. I mean come on, the sacking/genocide of Olympia? That is some juciy material for Abnet or (preferredly from experience with "Storm of Iron") McNeill.

[The Prophet]

I understand the fact that the Word Bearers were possibly the most influential Legion in the Heresy, and that Lorgar was one of the masterminds [...]

 

You said it yourself. That is why.

 

And how much is there really of the Word Bearers in the HH series? Erebus here and there, and a short story. Not much considering their importance.

[A D-B]

I understand the fact that the Word Bearers were possibly the most influential Legion in the Heresy, and that Lorgar was one of the masterminds, but why so much about them in the HH books? I always thought of the HH books to be more of an in depth description of each of the Legions and their independent dramas. For example, "A Thousand Sons" it is a detailed account of the council of Nikea from someone who was there. The next book in that line is about the Space Wolves breaking into open combat with Magnus's forces, all very vaugely touched upon in the fluff, but never really embellished upon untill now. All I'm asking for is some Iron Warriors, Salamanders, and(more for personal favor than anything else) some World Eaters. I mean come on, the sacking/genocide of Olympia? That is some juciy material for Abnet or (preferredly from experience with "Storm of Iron") McNeill.

 

Actually, I think pretty much the opposite is true.

 

The Legion responsible for the Heresy barely shows up until the 15th novel in the series. Until then, you have Erebus (one Word Bearer) show up a little in the first trilogy, and Lorgar has some small cameos in Tales of Heresy and A Thousand Sons. The only detailed look we've had of them is in Battle for the Abyss, and that wasn't a particularly well-regarded portrayal, and didn't actually reveal much about them beyond the fact they were meanies.

 

So considering their role, and considering we've seen much more of several other Legions, I don't really think we've had much of the Word Bearers at all. Especially if you're looking for "in-depth description of each Legion and their independent dramas". The Word Bearers haven't had that at all yet, despite starting the Heresy.

 

There's a lot of ground to cover, and only a few novels a year. Things like Olympia will get their time in the spotlight, I'm sure.

[Dark Mechanicum]

it will definetly be interesting seeing the events that did cause Lorgar to break from the emperor and turn to chaos. It is Kor Phaeron that i'm mostly interested in and to see how deliciously evil he is going to be. Erebus we have already seen as a snake so it will be fun to see his beginning as well.

[Yogi]

I understand your world eater despair..

[shatter]

I understand the fact that the Word Bearers were possibly the most influential Legion in the Heresy, and that Lorgar was one of the masterminds, but why so much about them in the HH books? I always thought of the HH books to be more of an in depth description of each of the Legions and their independent dramas. For example, "A Thousand Sons" it is a detailed account of the council of Nikea from someone who was there. The next book in that line is about the Space Wolves breaking into open combat with Magnus's forces, all very vaugely touched upon in the fluff, but never really embellished upon untill now. All I'm asking for is some Iron Warriors, Salamanders, and(more for personal favor than anything else) some World Eaters. I mean come on, the sacking/genocide of Olympia? That is some juciy material for Abnet or (preferredly from experience with "Storm of Iron") McNeill.

 

Actually, I think pretty much the opposite is true.

 

The Legion responsible for the Heresy barely shows up until the 15th novel in the series. Until then, you have Erebus (one Word Bearer) show up a little in the first trilogy, and Lorgar has some small cameos in Tales of Heresy and A Thousand Sons. The only detailed look we've had of them is in Battle for the Abyss, and that wasn't a particularly well-regarded portrayal, and didn't actually reveal much about them beyond the fact they were meanies.

 

So considering their role, and considering we've seen much more of several other Legions, I don't really think we've had much of the Word Bearers at all. Especially if you're looking for "in-depth description of each Legion and their independent dramas". The Word Bearers haven't had that at all yet, despite starting the Heresy.

 

There's a lot of ground to cover, and only a few novels a year. Things like Olympia will get their time in the spotlight, I'm sure.

 

Back to the scriptorium with you! Your dalliances here are sinful!

[Ju'kosian]

All in good time.

There are a lot of stories to be covered and they only release a few novels in a year.

You will have to be patient. I'm sure the Iron warriors and World eaters will get their own novels.. I sincerly hope every legion gets at least one novel.

 

The firs heretic is the first novel covering the Word bearers (You can hardly call 'battle for the abyss" a novel, now can you.. ) where I hope they will be covered as they should be and not as mindless cannonfodder like 'battle for the abyss.

[A D-B]

Back to the scriptorium with you! Your dalliances here are sinful!

 

You're not the boss of me. You're not the King of Aaronopolis.

[Walter Payton]

Back to the scriptorium with you! Your dalliances here are sinful!

 

You're not the boss of me. You're not the King of Aaronopolis.

 

That's Dan Abnett. Or Cammie White...

 

:(

[MCCCXXXVII]

I can't wait for some Iron Warrior love personally.

[Tutteman]

it will definetly be interesting seeing the events that did cause Lorgar to break from the emperor and turn to chaos. It is Kor Phaeron that i'm mostly interested in and to see how deliciously evil he is going to be. Erebus we have already seen as a snake so it will be fun to see his beginning as well.

 

Hopefully he will be well portrayed. :lol:

[Vel'Cona]

The only detailed look we've had of them is in Battle for the Abyss, and that wasn't a particularly well-regarded portrayal, and didn't actually reveal much about them beyond the fact they were meanies.

 

Wow that's interesting. Did you just subtly critique a fellow BL author? <_<

 

Actually, BftA is pretty much the worst HH book in my humble opinion. I'm glad to see some of the HH series are getting picked up by different authors, especially considering you guys seemed to have learned from earlier mistakes with the series. It will be very interesting to see how some of the less seasoned authors utilize the magnificent setting of the HH, as well as how they flesh out the remaining Astartes chapters.

[army310]

i hope thiers more about the space wolvies and more of a insight how all the primarchs fell about one an other (like a clean cut like and dislike) and who plays well togetter.

[The Prophet]

The firs heretic is the first novel covering the Word bearers (You can hardly call 'battle for the abyss" a novel, now can you.. ) where I hope they will be covered as they should be and not as mindless cannonfodder like 'battle for the abyss.

 

I agree completely on this.

[Captain Tezdal]

Huzzah for Word Bearers, hopefully they arn't complete buffoons in this novel, looking forward to it ADB, also, as World Eater fan, I most def hope you choose the World Eaters at some point, Uzas was an inspiration to us all, makes me wanna apply chain-axe directly to a guardsmen's forehead

[Sons of Horus]

hopefully after the First Heretic ADB writes a night lords HH novel. Konrad Curze/Night Haunter needs some love :lol:

[Scribe]

Hmm, any Primarch interaction is interesting, I will probably pick up The First Heretic after reading the preview.

 

I too however, must voice my need (yes need) in regards to a World Eaters book. :RTBBB:

[Brother Styphus]

The next book in that line is about the Space Wolves breaking into open combat with Magnus's forces, all very vaugely touched upon in the fluff, but never really embellished upon untill now.

 

 

Sorry to nitpick, but that was actually very much touched. It was touched so many times in various places that it can't even repress the memories. Borrow a copy of Collected Visions some time. There are 6 disgustingly long pages dedicated to the battle itself in one part (though the 1ksons pre-heresy art is some of the best in the book), another 3 page section on the council of Nikaea that include parts on Prospero burning, and more that 4 definite pictures showing definite battle scenes on Prospero.

 

Just scouring page by page, and you wouldn't believe how little there is on word bearers. A painting of Erebus' battle barge was the only picture the bearers had up until at least 150 pages in, and from there a 3 page section on the treachery of Lorgar, and a similarly small bit on that Calth business.

 

To summarize this scrutiny, most of these HH novels are just expanded bits of offhand fluff in the collected visions book. Even those stupid warrior dark eldar zombie folk that cured Horus have a meaty section in the book.

 

To bum people out if they don't have the artwork as a clue as to what is coming up, know that the Iron Warriors are just as briefly touched as Word Bearers (though I don't think there were any fluff stories on them), the Night Lords have less than 10 pictures, and DA have a total of 4 definite pictures. This will mean either those chapters will get stuck with a novel that is interesting but doesn't affect the Heresy in the slightest, or like Descent of Angels, get a novel where the author wings it and pulls ideas out of a hat.