dentonius Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Hi all, Another Q I played BA yesterday and of course we had a lot of CC going around the map. I was locked in cc with my GH with a jumppack assault squad, I lost the CC. I failed the morale so I must fall back. We do the test for a sweeping advance wich also failed ( I love my dice skills ) so for him my unit was destroyed. I started a discussion because in the space wolves codex and also other marine books we have the ATSKNF rule wich say : " If SW are caught by a sweeping advance, they are not destroyed and instead will fight normally. If this happens the unit is subject to the no retreat rule " In the rulebook we have the CC follow up of check morale and after that the sweeping advance etc... He said that this is not that kind of rule so I just removed all my GH because I dont like to discuss about something, its just a game. Is he right or not ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanon Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Your friend was wrong. You fall back, are caught by sweeping advance, then immediately take extra wounds in accordance with no retreat. You aren't auto-killed. That's one of the best things about ATSKNF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2398816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I'm surprised a BA player didn't know that, since we have ATSKNF as well. All loyal marines are immune to being wiped by sweeping advance, just extra wounds as if fearless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2398825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverwolf Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Yeh he should of known this himself. Either he's new to marines, or you got cheated buddy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2399218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontline989 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Yeah, pretty badly cheeted since it says it all in black and white. Though I must say you handled yourself maturely not resorting to a shouting match. If it all went down as you say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2399246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanon03 Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Sounds like your friend needs to learn their own codex. Fail! :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2399384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonslayer Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 See this is what happens when we face other SM's. They know they can't beat us in a fair fight and are jealous that we look so good, so they resort to underhand tactics and cheat. Be careful I smell the taint of chaos from them <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2399763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 as a fairly new player can someone explain this in more detail what extra wounds do you take instead of being wiped out? how many are there? do you get saves on them? thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2399774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider-75 Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 no retreat = take as many wounds as you lost combat by. normal saves apply Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2399779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 no retreat = take as many wounds as you lost combat by. normal saves apply and then you just resume combat? thanks I didnt know about that i dont think this has ever come up because ive never lost a morale check Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2399786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 You fall back, are caught by sweeping advance, then immediately take extra wounds in accordance with no retreat. You don't fall back. If the pursuing enemy beats the initiative roll then both units stay where they are. Either the losing unit is elminated and the winner consolidates d6", or if the losing unit is fearless of has ATSKNF the units stay locked in combat and the losing unit suffers the additional wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2399846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentonius Posted May 15, 2010 Author Share Posted May 15, 2010 Next I will hit him much harder for that, btw it is not a friend but just a guy who also plays his games in that local gamestore. He also used his sangPriest wrong some moments. His squad was 6" of the priest but not after he did his assault move into my greyhunters, but he still claiming that he had FC and FNP because of the fact that they recieved those powers before the assault ( difficult to explain for me ) In my eyes this was wrong but I tought by myself " its a new dex for those BA players " He also did a psy power with his librarian when he was already locked in CC but I dont know if this was correct. Btw we space wolves are designed to kill those shiny blood angels lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2400861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 he can use powers in CC but not those listed as shooting attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2401443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 The fact that he tried to claim he had the benefits of a blood chalice without being in six inches makes me really angry. It's an insanely awesome and forgiving ability, and it only has one stipulation : YOU BE WITHIN SIX INCHES OF THE PRIEST. If an assault move happens to move an entire unit out of range, well, too bad, so sad, no FC and FNP for that unit. Seems pretty clear cut to me. ridiculous that he would claim otherwise. On top of the ATSKF stuff, my basic opinion of this guy you're playing is pretty terrible. you need to straighten him out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2401457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 the unit would gain the bonuses from FC if the started their assault move within 6" of the priest but they wouldn't receive FNP during that combat as they would be out of the 6" bubble Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2401476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 the unit would gain the bonuses from FC if the started their assault move within 6" of the priest but they wouldn't receive FNP during that combat as they would be out of the 6" bubble correct. FC is measured when the assault is declared. FNP is measured when the wound occurs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2401487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentonius Posted May 16, 2010 Author Share Posted May 16, 2010 Well for me it is within 6", so I dont know if he will recieve those powers when he was out of 6" range after his assaultmove. But thats something we can know on this kind of forum. EDIT:the unit would gain the bonuses from FC if the started their assault move within 6" of the priest but they wouldn't receive FNP during that combat as they would be out of the 6" bubble clear for me then from now on. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2401490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 its real simple realy, if he dies they lose FNP, so if he's not in range, its the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/201342-and-they-shall-know-no-fear-q/#findComment-2401516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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