Wolves of Fenris

[Grand Master Denty]

Hello. I was just talking to Valdenaar, a fellow member of B&C about the Wolves that roam about Fenris and I thought about how intelligent they actually were. Do you think they have a godd brain behind that thicck skull and those fangs or do you think they are just naturally cunning animals.

 

Also how do you think Canis Wolfborn was accepted into a Pack of Fenrisian Wolves as a child. They would have eaten him surely unless he did something to warrant their respect but how could a child do this.

 

Thanks :(

[Simo429]

depends what you believe from 1k sons

[Shieldwall]

I think something that eats the stuffed digestive tract of a fenrisian mastodon can't be that smart.

On the other hand, I wouldnt be surprised to see a Space Wolf doing that.

 

So yeah, pretty smart.

 

Also how do you think Canis Wolfborn was accepted into a Pack of Fenrisian Wolves as a child. They would have eaten him surely unless he did something to warrant their respect but how could a child do this.

 

see above.

 

greets :(

[CainTheHunter]

I think something that eats the stuffed digestive tract of a fenrisian mastodon can't be that smart.

 

For all those little buggers - that's called Fenrisian haggis! :(

[TiguriusX]

Animals have adopted human children before (there are real life feral children who were raised by dogs/wolves etc.). I'm guessing the maternal instincts of a female override her predatory instincts and after a while the human is simply considered part of the pack.

 

The most recent case I can recall was a girl in Russia raised by a pack of dogs. It was one part of a show about language development and feral children.

[MagneticFreak]

Yeah, perhaps, since most of those feral childs story are pure myths....

 

I'd picture Fenrisian wolves to be as intelligent as trained dogs. I do see any situation in the game/fluff where this would not be sufficient.

[TiguriusX]

Yeah, perhaps, since most of those feral childs story are pure myths....

 

I just told you I saw an actual documentary with an actual feral child. I wasn't quoting friggin Jungle Book.

 

Feral children are extremely rare but it is a fact that they exist. I'm not sure I understand the point of your comment unless you are requesting a citation

[Beef]

Yeah, perhaps, since most of those feral childs story are pure myths....

 

I'd picture Fenrisian wolves to be as intelligent as trained dogs. I do see any situation in the game/fluff where this would not be sufficient.

 

 

I saw that program to TigeriusX.

 

Fenrisian wolves would be more inteligent than trained dogs. Wolves in the wild are more cunning than dogs in captivity. The difference between dogs and wolves is that wolves mature mentally alot quicker than dogs, Dogs stay at puppy stage for at least a year whilst wolves are lean mean killing machines by 3 months ~(mentally)

[Requiem of the Wolf]

Yeah, perhaps, since most of those feral childs story are pure myths....

 

I'd picture Fenrisian wolves to be as intelligent as trained dogs. I do see any situation in the game/fluff where this would not be sufficient.

 

 

I saw that program to TigeriusX.

 

Fenrisian wolves would be more inteligent than trained dogs. Wolves in the wild are more cunning than dogs in captivity. The difference between dogs and wolves is that wolves mature mentally alot quicker than dogs, Dogs stay at puppy stage for at least a year whilst wolves are lean mean killing machines by 3 months ~(mentally)

And there would be a difference between intelligence and cunning.

[Beef]

Ok so the wolves cant do mental arithmatic, or problem solve, Well actually you dont know they probably could problem solve, thats a measure of inteligence

[Stormshrug]

A few points about various forms of canine intelligence:

 

Wolves don't read people (they're not selected to do it), so they don't behave within the scope of our expectations. Hence, wolves will behave in the way that is most obviously beneficial to themselves (opening a drawer to get food, for instance). The behavior of dogs, on the other hand, is more tied to human behavior, and hence, they often behave in unexpected ways (like NOT opening a drawer to get food) because they are acting not in the way that is most directly beneficial to themselves, but because they are trying to set their behavior in accordance with what humans want from them.

 

It's much the same reason a wolf cannot be 'tamed' and made to function within the bounds of a human-centric social structure. When you raise a wolf in captivity, it may grow comfortable with people, but to do so, it will also observe them as other wolves (albeit odd looking ones, I suspect). The pack-structure is too deeply ingrained in the wolf. A dog, on the other hand, has a different view of the world. It observes the distinction between dogs and humans, has different rules that go along with it, and so it modifies its behavior to account for it - hence dogs rarely challenge the humans in their lives for the "Alpha" position, whereas wolves will almost always do this eventually, even if the "Alpha" is not a wolf.

 

Another problem with raw intelligence comparisons is that dogs, having been bred for jobs ranging from herding animals to catching waterfowl to no particular purpose at all, have an extremely broad range of intelligence levels within the species.

 

Wolves are, however, assuredly more competent and cunning individual and group hunters than domesticated dogs.

 

Fenrisian wolves, on the other hand, are theoretical creatures. Their inability to hold objectives suggests that they are either not intelligent enough to do so OR that it their form of intelligence is simply to far from that of humans (even Space Wolves) for certain strategic locations to register as interesting to them. If I had to guess, it would be a bit of both; they're of near-human intelligence, but they don't get why certain circles on the map are supposed to be so important because they simply don't care.

 

-Stormshrug

[Bran Scalphunter]

The 3rd Ed 'dex describes the Fenris Wolf in the story that appeared to the Aspirant Haakon as looking upon him with "intelligent eyes". Now that might just be describing the general intelligence of the animal compared to say, a mammoth, but I think it means intelligence as in you or me. Also, weren't Freki and Geri capable of speech in the 2nd Ed book? I've never read that 'dex but I'd bet my ale that it's been attributed to that book.

[Beef]

No Bran freki and Geri were not capable of speach in the 2nd edition, They could comunicate on a animalistic level with Russ just as lasie could with that annoying boy that followed her around.

 

Also @ Stormshrug, in games terms the wolves not being able to hold objectives is not really relevent to the fluff. Its not like you cant get a dog to gaurd a certain area. Wolves could do that but game wise it would probably cuse opponents to cry chease. however i do agree with the rest of your post