Marines in other forces - repping/counts as units

[millest]

Hi folk

as some of you who are following my blog know im looking at starting a stint of modelling some Mentor legion figures for use in both my Red Hunters force, My Inquisition force and along side my inquisitional Imperial guard. Ive been looking at models etc but im now struggling to figure out how to get the marines to fit in to these forces as part of the force rather then allies. i have a couple of questions below (with some of my thoughts added) that i could do with some advice on.

 

How would I incorperate some Marines in to my Inquisitors squad? what is the best "counts as" option?

this ones puzzled me and the only thing i can kind of think is counting them as heavy weapons servitors? would this work? so far my option are this and arming one with a heavy bolter and one with a melta. are there any other suitable options i could use for "counts as" to include 2 marines in the Inquisitors "command squad"?

what other options are availible for me to include the marines in the force?

 

Going on the "training of other forces" how would I incorperate a squad of mentor legion Marines in to my inquisitional imperial guard army? what is the best "counts as" option?

again a tough one, my theories are two fold, 1 is to include a marine assigned to the command squad and use him as a counts as inquisitor to show him "mentoring" the force. would this work and if so what weapons fit would work? The second is to add a squad of scouts and treat them as hardened veterans to allow some cohesion in the force and look like they are his OMLT squad, again would it work and what weapons would work?

what other options are availible for me to include some marines in the inquisitional imperial gaurd force?

 

those are the thought and theories i have, is there a better way to do this or do those options work? any options and suggestions would be much appreciated.

thanks in advance

Millest

[Isiah]

These aren't exactly rules questions, they are more fluff-orientated questions I think.

 

I'm inclined to move this to the * ORDOS INQUISITION * section for some clever insights into -][- command/retinue squad options etc.

 

But from my read through, certainly servitors (Warriors) seem good bet for question #1.

 

Question #2, Inquisitor sounds like a good plan, but the Scouts issue is more of a Codex: Imp Guard discussion and we don't cover that on the B&C. Other than that the Scouts could at an extreme push represent allied Inquisitorial Stormtroopers fighting with the Guard I guess [belay that, reading the DH Codex that's illegal ^_^ ].

 

Cheers

I

[Aurelius Rex]

I would represent Mentor Legion using 'counts-as' Legion of the Damned squads in a C:SM armylist. ^_^

 

Their exotic technology side could be used to explain the inv save (prototype personal shields) and their ability to appear from nowhere (advanced teleport arrays to put them where needed.)

 

Or use sternguard to reflect their super duper ammo or 'targetting web' tech.

 

This is assuming you are using the old background to the Mentor legion rather than the messed around with newer stuff. ;)

[millest]

yeah, going old school with the Mentors, right down to the chapter icon.

 

my biggest board relevant concern (not counting the IG question) is how would i incoperate a few models, rather then a squad, in to an inquisition force? what sort of option would give me the closest to a marines stat line and weapons fit?

cheers

[number6]

It sounds like you're trying to find a way to include both Marines and IG in a single army list. Do I have that right?

 

If so ... well, I guess you know that is flatly impossible.

 

IMHO, the closest you can get is to play with a parent Space Marines army and ally in up to 2 IST units from the DH codex and/or up to 2 IST units from the WH codex to get you the "Inquisitorial IG" component.

 

You could also legally ally in some GKs and/or SoBs for further Inquisition goodness. Not to mention an Inquisitor.

 

I can't think of any way to get reasonable MEQ stats in a parent Inquisition army that doesn't use inducted Marines. (In which case, you should do what I just outlined!) The only MEQs in the Inquisition codexes are GKs and SoBs. Not even combat servitors fit the bill.

 

That's the best I got. ^_^

[Gibious]

Well why do you want SM and IG in the same army? and maybe the GK or SOB could fufil this role as "different marines"

 

I guess the final option would be to make two seperate armys ans ask pre-battle if you could ally them together.

[millest]

no i dont want a combined force of both ig and sm as i know thats not possible. i dont know how to explain it but what i want is an =I= or =I= guard force where some of the characters are represented by marine models for fluff reasons.

however to make it look good on paper and practical on the gaming table what i want is for them to rep choices that are pretty close to them stats wise, ie an inquisitor has 2 marines in his retinue (to tie in the red hunters and mentor legion theme) and they represent heavy weapons servitors due to the stat line and the weapons, as well as fluff wise, for example marine scouts as hardened vets in an IG force with an =I= allied to show them training the inquistional ig.

i hope that kind of makes sense

[kiwitexansfan]

I run Inquisitorial Acolytes with Power Armour and Bolter.

 

I have SOB, SM and CSM models for them.

[Verythrax Draconis]

I'm really considering on using PAGKS counting as Sanguine Guard when playing my soon-to-be vanilla SM chapter with the BA codex. Maybe I'll use DeathWatch as Death Company as well. What bugs me is what to use as a suitable replacement of Sanguinary Priests? ;)

[Inquisitor Fox]

What bugs me is what to use as a suitable replacement of Sanguinary Priests? ;)

Inquisitors :)

[Verythrax Draconis]

What bugs me is what to use as a suitable replacement of Sanguinary Priests? :lol:

Inquisitors :)

 

D'oh!

 

So obvious! * slaps himself*

[JCarter]

I use SM models in power armor when I'm representing a figure with a 3+ armor save. The model also helps me remember the different save.

[TheyKilledOffTycho?]

If IG are the parent list (with the Inquisition as auxiliary), you could use a SM model to represent the bionic Catachan character (whose name I can't recall), he has a 3+ save and other SM-like stats (I'd wager one of the reasons he does was to allow people to model LatD-style IG armies led by a CSM). And as mentioned above, there are Inquisitorial henchmen who could also represent SMs (not so well, but never the less) with Inquisitorial Storm Troopers or IG Storm Troopers rules for SM Scouts, depending on which you feel represents them best.

[Godhead]

Inq Stormtroopers have carapace armor. You can easily use SM scouts as stormtroopers. 1 stormtroooper can be upgraded to a vet trooper who can select wargear. Of particular note is artificer armor and power armor. That would allow you to use Mentor SM "MODELS" to legally represent DH/Inq forces. At least that's what I think you are wanting to do.

 

Someone had mentioned looking for a suitable model to represent sanguinary priests.. why not use something like the redemptionist from the necromunda line, or the priest from the retinue. It's just a thought.